Reset Password
Reset Link Sent
| Blogs > bigblackman21221 > The bigblackman show |
It seems like men are getting fired for sexual harassment everyday.
|
It seems like men are getting fired for sexual harassment everyday. I think it's just the beginning and many more will get fired. They all know what they did and women are having the courage to speak up. I don't think there are many women that haven't been harassed at least once in the workplace or somewhere else. If you care to share, I would like to know your thoughts on this issue.     |
|||
|
It has happened to me.
| ||
|
I been called to the office for sexual harassment over something I said in jest. The male supervisor discussed it with me with the female supervisor in the room. Apparently I did say something wrong in the wrong place and time but what I found out the women rule the roost here and I had to fall in line. What the woman supervisor who's back was facing me didn't know that I could see her reflection on her computer screen and I felt sorry for the male supervisor if he didn't handle it according to the way she wanted it done. I have noticed when the male supervisor is on the floor he has one assistant and 9 times out of 10 he is delegated off to do a job. whereas the female supervisor is on the floor , she has a posse of women with her at all times. what's that tell you?
| ||
|
You know I had to come check your post out!  I don't think I mentioned it in my post, but I've been both the person who was harassed/assaulted and the person accused of such. I was very fortunate that my company had a process in place for an investigation, as I was cleared of all allegations (they were crap and he just did it because he knew I was getting ready to fire him). If they had just taken the word of the accuser, I'd have lost my job and likely found it hard to find another job. I hope things are changing permanently and people don't have to fear for their careers (or lives ) by speaking up. 2022... it HAS be better, right?!
| ||
|
I think the result will be more women in positions of power. I think that will be a good thing. Thanks for commenting J.
| ||
|
It's not a shock to me by any means but how widespread it is gives me pause. Some of the people involved is really surprising and actually very disappointing. Thanks for your comments comrade.
| ||
|
I completely understand the shock factor. Especially when it comes to inappropriate touching or comments. I've been on the receiving end of both and was shocked every time. Thanks for stopping by and commenting. I'm really happy you decided to return.
| ||
|
I been called to the office for sexual harassment over something I said in jest. The male supervisor discussed it with me with the female supervisor in the room. Apparently I did say something wrong in the wrong place and time but what I found out the women rule the roost here and I had to fall in line. What the woman supervisor who's back was facing me didn't know that I could see her reflection on her computer screen and I felt sorry for the male supervisor if he didn't handle it according to the way she wanted it done. I have noticed when the male supervisor is on the floor he has one assistant and 9 times out of 10 he is delegated off to do a job. whereas the female supervisor is on the floor , she has a posse of women with her at all times. what's that tell you? Now may be the perfect time to discuss the different actions of the supervisors with the appropriate higher ups. Sexual harassment was drilled into my mind when I was in the Army in the late 80's early 90's which was odd to me at the time considering I didn't work around any females at all. It definitely had an effect in my professional life. Thanks for commenting.
| ||
|
You know I had to come check your post out! I don't think I mentioned it in my post, but I've been both the person who was harassed/assaulted and the person accused of such. I was very fortunate that my company had a process in place for an investigation, as I was cleared of all allegations (they were crap and he just did it because he knew I was getting ready to fire him). If they had just taken the word of the accuser, I'd have lost my job and likely found it hard to find another job. I hope things are changing permanently and people don't have to fear for their careers (or lives ) by speaking up. I went out of my way to make sure I could never be credibly accused of it. I think with larger companies things will definitely change for the better soon. Smaller companies may take longer but will eventually change as well. Harassment is too rampant in the workplace and elsewhere to for it not to. I just hope those that are victims and witnesses continue to speak up. Thanks for your comment.
| ||
|
Do you really think that this will open more doors for women in positions of power? Yes What about those in the LGBTQ community? I don't have enough knowledge or experience with that community to answer that. Sexual harassment is not limited to actions between just "men and women". Agreed.
| ||
|
It seems like men are getting fired for sexual harassment everyday. ... Some should be fired, but not solely based on accusations. There should be investigation . But then others should never be fired for an "Allegation". No man should lose his career, nor have his character assassinated, over an "Allegation". Minnesota Public Radio personality since 1969, was let go because of an unintentional hand slip, when he tried to console his woman "FRIEND". Yeah, that's what he believed they were. ....Here's the quote given in the New York Times: “I put my hand on a woman’s bare back,” he wrote. “I meant to pat her back after she told me about her unhappiness and her shirt was open and my hand went up it about six inches. She recoiled. I apologized. I sent her an email of apology later and she replied that she had forgiven me and not to think about it.” Mr. Keillor claimed that they continued to be friends “right up until her lawyer called.” He insisted his discomfort with physical affection was common knowledge, adding, “If I had a dollar for every woman who asked to take a selfie with me and who slipped an arm around me and let it drift down below the beltline, I’d have at least a hundred dollars.”-end of article quote. == Suspicious though, that this should happen one day after he wrote a Op-Ed defending his Minnesota friend Al Franken. == And Matt Lauer got fired today , too.... it was noted that he was criticized for supporting President Trump over Hilary. In Matt's situation, he knew the woman at least since 2014 Sochi Winter Olympics.... “On Monday night, we received a detailed complaint from a colleague about inappropriate sexual behavior in the workplace by Matt Lauer,” Andrew Lack, the NBC News chairman, said in a memo to the staff. “While it is the first complaint about his behavior in the over 20 years he’s been at NBC News, we were also presented with reason to believe this may not have been an isolated incident.” In a division-wide meeting with his staff later in the morning, Mr. Lack said Mr. Lauer’s involvement with the woman began while they were in Sochi, Russia, for the Winter Olympics in 2014, according to two people briefed on the meeting, and that their involvement continued after they returned to New York. -end of article quote. Looks like when a Company's employee is accused, instead of reasonable investigation or maybe just temporary suspension, they opt to just get rid of the accused as if he were radioactive. == I think it's just the beginning and many more will get fired... Oh no doubt about that. And of those ,Many", they will lose their reputation and career , likely over something trivial that could have been handled with with a , "Sorry, it won't happen again", and maybe a 30 day suspension without pay. == They all know what they did and women are dising the courage to speak up. ....Yes, but "Allegations" should be investigated. An "Allegation" should never be a death sentence of a career and character. == I don't think there are many women that haven't been harassed at least once in the workplace or somewhere else..... Maybe, but the question then becomes , "Were they really sexually harassed", or was she just pissed off at they guy, or what. In Garrison's defense, it reads like all he did was accidentally touch bare skin due to her lose shirt when consoling her, and for which he apologized via email, and she said not to worry about it. .......Until today. ....That's a 48 YEAR career dumped. I really can't stamp that as "Sexual HARASSMENT"....Can you? == Okay so look at it this way, if we are going to allow well known, and/ publicly respected individuals to be ruined by an allegation, then what if we just start taking a teenage boys "Allegation" of a female teacher touching his shoulder and he felt uncomfortable as grounds to ruin her teaching career. Or even worse... some 45 year old man comes forward and says his teacher 30 years ago "Touched" him. Fuck this is a mess, and sooner or later , some one is going to get injured, it's bound to a happen at this ridiculous rate.
| ||
|
It seems like men are getting fired for sexual harassment everyday. ... Some should be fired, but not solely based on accusations. There should be investigation . But then others should never be fired for an "Allegation". No man should lose his career, nor have his character assassinated, over an "Allegation". Minnesota Public Radio personality since 1969, was let go because of an unintentional hand slip, when he tried to console his woman "FRIEND". Yeah, that's what he believed they were. ....Here's the quote given in the New York Times: “I put my hand on a woman’s bare back,” he wrote. “I meant to pat her back after she told me about her unhappiness and her shirt was open and my hand went up it about six inches. She recoiled. I apologized. I sent her an email of apology later and she replied that she had forgiven me and not to think about it.” Mr. Keillor claimed that they continued to be friends “right up until her lawyer called.” He insisted his discomfort with physical affection was common knowledge, adding, “If I had a dollar for every woman who asked to take a selfie with me and who slipped an arm around me and let it drift down below the beltline, I’d have at least a hundred dollars.”-end of article quote. == Suspicious though, that this should happen one day after he wrote a Op-Ed defending his Minnesota friend Al Franken. == And Matt Lauer got fired today , too.... it was noted that he was criticized for supporting President Trump over Hilary. In Matt's situation, he knew the woman at least since 2014 Sochi Winter Olympics.... “On Monday night, we received a detailed complaint from a colleague about inappropriate sexual behavior in the workplace by Matt Lauer,” Andrew Lack, the NBC News chairman, said in a memo to the staff. “While it is the first complaint about his behavior in the over 20 years he’s been at NBC News, we were also presented with reason to believe this may not have been an isolated incident.” In a division-wide meeting with his staff later in the morning, Mr. Lack said Mr. Lauer’s involvement with the woman began while they were in Sochi, Russia, for the Winter Olympics in 2014, according to two people briefed on the meeting, and that their involvement continued after they returned to New York. -end of article quote. Looks like when a Company's employee is accused, instead of reasonable investigation or maybe just temporary suspension, they opt to just get rid of the accused as if he were radioactive. == I think it's just the beginning and many more will get fired... Oh no doubt about that. And of those ,Many", they will lose their reputation and career , likely over something trivial that could have been handled with with a , "Sorry, it won't happen again", and maybe a 30 day suspension without pay. == They all know what they did and women are dising the courage to speak up. ....Yes, but "Allegations" should be investigated. An "Allegation" should never be a death sentence of a career and character. == I don't think there are many women that haven't been harassed at least once in the workplace or somewhere else..... Maybe, but the question then becomes , "Were they really sexually harassed", or was she just pissed off at they guy, or what. In Garrison's defense, it reads like all he did was accidentally touch bare skin due to her lose shirt when consoling her, and for which he apologized via email, and she said not to worry about it. .......Until today. ....That's a 48 YEAR career dumped. I really can't stamp that as "Sexual HARASSMENT"....Can you? == Okay so look at it this way, if we are going to allow well known, and/ publicly respected individuals to be ruined by an allegation, then what if we just start taking a teenage boys "Allegation" of a female teacher touching his shoulder and he felt uncomfortable as grounds to ruin her teaching career. Or even worse... some 45 year old man comes forward and says his teacher 30 years ago "Touched" him. Fuck this is a mess, and sooner or later , some one is going to get injured, it's bound to a happen at this ridiculous rate. As far as Mr. Keillor is concerned he should not have touched her at all. I learned a long time ago that if you never touch a coworker something like that most likely wouldn't happen. It wasn't his job to console her. If he felt he was done wrong by his employer he could fight for his job and reputation. He isn't doing that. Matt Lauer didn't deny any of the allegations and should not have gotten involved with a coworker. I was taught that a long time ago too. These are powerful, well known men. Very few of them are denying the allegations against them. It doesn't take a long investigation when you admit to the allegations. I've seen and heard of female teachers going to jail over such conduct. The bottom line is that you and I both know that this type of stuff has been going on. I personally would hope that this type of behavior is a thing of the past when my 11 year old daughter enters the workforce. Would your perspective change if it was a female in your family that made these allegations?
| ||
|
Would your perspective change if it was a female in your family that made these allegations? ....No. There is still the burden of proof, and the consideration, "Is what was done to you really worth destroying his name and career, forever". Like the hand on the back, to console. Is that sexual harassment? No. Is there a file of complaints against him? No. In 48 years, that was the first. Were they considered "Friends"? Yes. His hand slipped and touched her back, above the belt. ONCE! And he and she made peace with that, according to emails. == Lauer , at least according to hearsay on a 2012 video interview with Katie Couric, she said would pinch her butt, and there are a series of videography blips that show him making lecherous comments or inappropriately teasing the women. But according to reports, this 2014 incident [if it really happened] is the first formal complaint filed against Lauer with NBC. If anything, this does reinforce the fact [in a negative way] that men and women can NOT be friends.
| ||
|
I was fortunate that I personally was not exposed to such things at the workplace or other places. I had to do in private life with psychological violence in my first marriage and with my son in the last years, if I had had to deal with harassment at the workplace, my pain threshold would have been reached quickly and I would not have been involved with it for long, even if it had been to my personal disadvantage. Visit my Blog  
| ||
|
Would your perspective change if it was a female in your family that made these allegations? ....No. There is still the burden of proof, and the consideration, "Is what was done to you really worth destroying his name and career, forever". Like the hand on the back, to console. Is that sexual harassment? No. Is there a file of complaints against him? No. In 48 years, that was the first. Were they considered "Friends"? Yes. His hand slipped and touched her back, above the belt. ONCE! And he and she made peace with that, according to emails. == Lauer , at least according to hearsay on a 2012 video interview with Katie Couric, she said would pinch her butt, and there are a series of videography blips that show him making lecherous comments or inappropriately teasing the women. But according to reports, this 2014 incident [if it really happened] is the first formal complaint filed against Lauer with NBC. If anything, this does reinforce the fact [in a negative way] that men and women can NOT be friends. I don't believe you. There is no way a woman in your family especially a daughter, wife or mother that you wouldn't believe them just because the person they are accusing had a 48 year career. Me personally, that nigga better call the cops before I get there. There is still the burden of proof, and the consideration, "Is what was done to you really worth destroying his name and career, forever". Like the hand on the back, to console. Is that sexual harassment? No The proof is that he admitted it happened. What other proof do you need. Like the hand on the back, to console. Is that sexual harassment? No. He tried to console a woman by touching her on her lower back? That doesn't even sound reasonable. Is there a file of complaints against him? No. In 48 years, that was the first. Were they considered "Friends"? Yes. His hand slipped and touched her back, above the belt. ONCE! And he and she made peace with that, according to emails. The whole reason for all of these allegations coming out now is because these women were afraid of losing the careers or not being believed. There has to be more to this particular situation than what you have written here. No point in even talking about Lauer. If anything, this does reinforce the fact [in a negative way] that men and women can NOT be friends. I disagree. Men and women can be friends. In the workplace there may need to be stricter guidelines on fraternization. The bottom line to me is that practically none of the accused men are putting up a fight for their careers. Also practically none of them are denying the allegations either. If I were in their situation and was innocent, I would be fighting for my career and reputation. Wouldn't you?
| ||
|
I was fortunate that I personally was not exposed to such things at the workplace or other places. I had to do in private life with psychological violence in my first marriage and with my son in the last years, if I had had to deal with harassment at the workplace, my pain threshold would have been reached quickly and I would not have been involved with it for long, even if it had been to my personal disadvantage. Sie sind in der Minderheit unter Frauen und haben wirklich Glück. Vielen Dank für Ihren Kommentar sexy Frau.
| ||
|
Would your perspective change if it was a female in your family that made these allegations?...No I don't believe you. There is no way a woman in your family especially a daughter, wife or mother that you wouldn't believe them just because the person they are accusing had a 48 year career. Me personally, that nigga better call the cops before I get there. There is still the burden of proof, and the consideration, "Is what was done to you really worth destroying his name and career, forever". Like the hand on the back, to console. Is that sexual harassment? No The proof is that he admitted it happened. What other proof do you need. Like the hand on the back, to console. Is that sexual harassment? No. He tried to console a woman by touching her on her lower back? That doesn't even sound reasonable. Is there a file of complaints against him? No. In 48 years, that was the first. Were they considered "Friends"? Yes. His hand slipped and touched her back, above the belt. ONCE! And he and she made peace with that, according to emails. The whole reason for all of these allegations coming out now is because these women were afraid of losing the careers or not being believed. There has to be more to this particular situation than what you have written here. No point in even talking about Lauer. If anything, this does reinforce the fact [in a negative way] that men and women can NOT be friends. I disagree. Men and women can be friends. In the workplace there may need to be stricter guidelines on fraternization. The bottom line to me is that practically none of the accused men are putting up a fight for their careers. Also practically none of them are denying the allegations either. If I were in their situation and was innocent, I would be fighting for my career and reputation. Wouldn't you? All too often people have a tendency to jump to the worst conclusion without looking into the matter. There is no way a woman in your family especially a daughter, wife or mother that you wouldn't believe them ... I didn't say I would not believe them, I said we would talk about the matter , ask, do you really think you need to ruin a mans career and name for the sake of one mishap, and what specifically was that mishap, and how often does this happen....such as inadvertent touch of bare back skin above the belt. After all, relatives or not, they are still "Women" , and the "Social mob" does not take the time to "Reason things out". [We know that]. just because the person they are accusing had a 48 year career. .... Yes, that's very important. You need to look has his professional work place history. The proof is that he admitted it happened. What other proof do you need..... An "Allegation" is not proof of anything. In the cases of Louis CK, he said it was all true. He admitted what they said was true. In the case of Garrison Keillor , what he did was NOT worthy to be called "Sexual harassment". He tried to console a woman by touching her on her lower back? That doesn't even sound reasonable......It's reasonable... you haven't ever hugged -anyone- , before, to console them? When the person you're hugging has a loose fitting shirt, your hand inadvertently touching skin is likely to happen...... this is not sexual harassment and not a situation worthy of ending a 48 year career over. Hell , even the "Hug" is not sexual harassment. The whole reason for all of these allegations coming out now is .... Is unknown, but highly speculative. because these women were afraid of losing the careers or not being believed. ..... Speculation. Also , an "Investigation" would have been easier at the moment, not 30 and 40 years later. Anyone would be afraid of losing their career if they lied about the allegation. There has to be more to this particular situation than what you have written here. .... From the sources I read from, it was described simply as a hug, and his hand touch bare skin. She recoiled, he apologized and sent her an email apologizing. She responded accepting his apology. Men and women can be friends. .... They [heterosexual men] "Can", but is it a good idea? No. Especially in this climate. In the workplace there may need to be stricter guidelines on fraternization. ... Agreed. In fact, at this rate , there should be a complete separation of men and women in the work place. In this climate, all it seems to take for you to lose everything, is for a woman to "Allege" you did something to her. The bottom line to me is that practically none of the accused men are putting up a fight for their careers. ... A fight? Not yet. Mostly we're hearing of "Apologies", and hearing of "Resistance". Roy Moore isn't stepping down , he is going to continue to run for Senator. Al Franken is apologizing, not walking away. Also practically none of them are denying the allegations either. .... Roy Moore denied it even happened. Garrison Keillor denied the incident was "Sexual". If I were in their situation and was innocent, I would be fighting for my career and reputation. Wouldn't you? .. Some of them are putting up a resistance. As a society , we cannot allow an "Allegation" to be a career end-er without a full investigation. ...The sooner the allegation comes forward, the easier for investigators to do their job. But 5, 10, 30 and 40 years later?!! Forget it.
| ||
|
I don't believe you. .... I don't care. I told you how I see it. All too often people have a tendency to jump to the worst conclusion without looking into the matter. There is no way a woman in your family especially a daughter, wife or mother that you wouldn't believe them ... I didn't say I would not believe them, I said we would talk about the matter , ask, do you really think you need to ruin a mans career and name for the sake of one mishap, and what specifically was that mishap, and how often does this happen....such as inadvertent touch of bare back skin above the belt. After all, relatives or not, they are still "Women" , and the "Social mob" does not take the time to "Reason things out". [We know that]. just because the person they are accusing had a 48 year career. .... Yes, that's very important. You need to look has his professional work place history. The proof is that he admitted it happened. What other proof do you need..... An "Allegation" is not proof of anything. In the cases of Louis CK, he said it was all true. He admitted what they said was true. In the case of Garrison Keillor , what he did was NOT worthy to be called "Sexual harassment". He tried to console a woman by touching her on her lower back? That doesn't even sound reasonable......It's reasonable... you haven't ever hugged -anyone- , before, to console them? When the person you're hugging has a loose fitting shirt, your hand inadvertently touching skin is likely to happen...... this is not sexual harassment and not a situation worthy of ending a 48 year career over. Hell , even the "Hug" is not sexual harassment. The whole reason for all of these allegations coming out now is .... Is unknown, but highly speculative. because these women were afraid of losing the careers or not being believed. ..... Speculation. Also , an "Investigation" would have been easier at the moment, not 30 and 40 years later. Anyone would be afraid of losing their career if they lied about the allegation. There has to be more to this particular situation than what you have written here. .... From the sources I read from, it was described simply as a hug, and his hand touch bare skin. She recoiled, he apologized and sent her an email apologizing. She responded accepting his apology. Men and women can be friends. .... They [heterosexual men] "Can", but is it a good idea? No. Especially in this climate. In the workplace there may need to be stricter guidelines on fraternization. ... Agreed. In fact, at this rate , there should be a complete separation of men and women in the work place. In this climate, all it seems to take for you to lose everything, is for a woman to "Allege" you did something to her. The bottom line to me is that practically none of the accused men are putting up a fight for their careers. ... A fight? Not yet. Mostly we're hearing of "Apologies", and hearing of "Resistance". Roy Moore isn't stepping down , he is going to continue to run for Senator. Al Franken is apologizing, not walking away. Also practically none of them are denying the allegations either. .... Roy Moore denied it even happened. Garrison Keillor denied the incident was "Sexual". If I were in their situation and was innocent, I would be fighting for my career and reputation. Wouldn't you? .. Some of them are putting up a resistance. As a society , we cannot allow an "Allegation" to be a career end-er without a full investigation. ...The sooner the allegation comes forward, the easier for investigators to do their job. But 5, 10, 30 and 40 years later?!! Forget it. I disagree but respect your viewpoint. All too often people have a tendency to jump to the worst conclusion without looking into the matter. I agree this happens and can be a big problem. I didn't say I would not believe them, I said we would talk about the matter , ask, do you really think you need to ruin a mans career and name for the sake of one mishap, and what specifically was that mishap, and how often does this happen....such as inadvertent touch of bare back skin above the belt. If it was a family member or close friend would you really give a damn about that person's career even if it was an isolated incident? such as inadvertent touch of bare back skin above the belt. That part is the main thing I'm having a problem with. If you are consoling someone why would your hands be so low? After all, relatives or not, they are still "Women" , Please elaborate. Why does that matter? and the "Social mob" does not take the time to "Reason things out". [We know that] I agree that some people can jump to the wrong conclusions but in this case I believe his side of the story is leaving something out. just because the person they are accusing had a 48 year career. .... Yes, that's very important. You need to look has his professional work place history. I think if that happens something similar with another woman will come out. Hopefully I'm wrong. The proof is that he admitted it happened. What other proof do you need..... An "Allegation" is not proof of anything. In the cases of Louis CK, he said it was all true. He admitted what they said was true. We don't have to talk about him anymore. It's reasonable... you haven't ever hugged -anyone- , before, to console them? Yes but my hands were nowhere near their belt line. When the person you're hugging has a loose fitting shirt, your hand inadvertently touching skin is likely to happen...... I need more information on the type of top she had on at the time. this is not sexual harassment and not a situation worthy of ending a 48 year career over. Hell , even the "Hug" is not sexual harassment. She recoiled, he apologized. I've never had a woman recoil from a hug and I've never apologized for giving a woman a hug. Have you? Hell , even the "Hug" is not sexual harassment. Depends on the "Hug" You don't hug your mom the same way you hug your woman. When you hug a friend or relative your hands are high. When you hug your woman or lover your hands are low, usually somewhere around the beltline or lower. Is unknown, but highly speculative. "When it rain it pours." Also , an "Investigation" would have been easier at the moment, not 30 and 40 years later. I agree. Anyone would be afraid of losing their career if they lied about the allegation. True but telling the truth could invoke the same fear when the person has the power to fire you. From the sources I read from, it was described simply as a hug, and his hand touch bare skin. She recoiled, he apologized and sent her an email apologizing. She responded accepting his apology. Please state your sources in a way that doesn't violate the TOU. I have standard contacts so you can email me that info. They [heterosexual men] "Can", but is it a good idea? No. Especially in this climate. Agreed. In fact, at this rate , there should be a complete separation of men and women in the work place. That will never happen and I don't think it should. It may solve certain problems but cause others. In this climate, all it seems to take for you to lose everything, is for a woman to "Allege" you did something to her. Please give me an example of this where there was just an allegation with no investigation.. A fight? Not yet. Mostly we're hearing of "Apologies", and hearing of "Resistance". Roy Moore isn't stepping down , he is going to continue to run for Senator. Al Franken is apologizing, not walking away. Roy Moore was known to chase teenage girls back in the day. He was even banned from a local mall because of it. In his case I believe the women completely. I've never trusted those "holier than thou types" Al Franken has put his fate in the Senate ethics panel so we'll see about him. Roy Moore denied it even happened. Do you honestly believe Roy Moore? Garrison Keillor denied the incident was "Sexual" Why did she recoil? Why did he feel the need to apologize? Some of them are putting up a resistance. Which ones? Do YOU believe they are credible? As a society , we cannot allow an "Allegation" to be a career end-er without a full investigation. I completely agree. The sooner the allegation comes forward, the easier for investigators to do their job. But 5, 10, 30 and 40 years later?!! I completely agree. It needs to be easier for the victims to come forward without fear of reprisal. Forget it. It may not be that easy for the victims.
| ||
|
If it was a family member or close friend would you really give a damn about that person's career even if it was an isolated incident? .... Yes. That's the kind of person I am. Too many people are stretching the word of the law for money, and in the process completely ruining a persons life. Get both sides of the incident before you press charges. People have a tendency to react in a hostile manner without knowing the full story. For instance the shooting of the woman in San Francisco. That part is the main thing I'm having a problem with. If you are consoling someone why would your hands be so low? .... Consoling hadn't started yet. This slip happened when he reached around as she came in, or allowed him to come into her personal space. Completely not worth ending a man's 48 year career. Especially when he noticed she was startled and immediately apologized, and further, wrote an email apologizing, to which SHE replied, "It's okay don't worry about it".. I agree that some people can jump to the wrong conclusions but in this case I believe his side of the story is leaving something out. .... A belief isn't a fact. But what we do know, and evidence of, there was an email accepting his apology. I've never had a woman recoil from a hug and I've never apologized for giving a woman a hug. Have you? ....Hasn't happened , maybe she was surprised... I tried to find how tall she is, and could not. That detail could shed light on this. But he is 6'4".... Tall guy. This is a quote from a News source...“I meant to pat her back after she told me about her unhappiness and her shirt was open and my hand went up it about six inches. She recoiled. I apologized. I sent her an email of apology later and she replied that she had forgiven me and not to think about it. We were friends. We continued to be friendly right up until her lawyer called.” Please give me an example of this where there was just an allegation with no investigation..... I didn't say, "an investigation didn't happen", but then how could it , really, in many of these cases, unless the guy said he did it, otherwise, "Not guilty". When you hug a friend or relative your hands are high.... Not necessarily, hugging a friend of the opposite sex could just as likely be one arm high and the other low. If she is about the same height and wearing heels.... I can understand how this may have happened. True but telling the truth could invoke the same fear when the person has the power to fire you. ...... Women can be conniving. Can't get a raise? Then she makes something up, "Alleges" something , and ruins him. That's how many women operate. Please state your sources in a way that doesn't violate the TOU. .... Easier for you to just google they guy....it's the first page, and usually the first sever inputs. Roy Moore was known to chase teenage girls back in the day..... Doesn't mean anything. He was even banned from a local mall because of it. ...An article read: "The Roy Moore campaign on Monday issued a statement in an effort to refute at least one national report that the Alabama Republican Senate nominee had at one time been banned from the Gadsden Mall. The statement quoted what the campaign described as three former mall employees attesting that Moore had not been banned. In his case I believe the women completely. ... I don't. Forty years ago, 1977, in Alabama, and Moore was starting his career in politics.... but NO sexual harassment reports filed at the time. A white girl, with a white man, in 1977, and if she was all as upset about what happened, don't you think she would have told her daddy or the police? ......... But no. However , 40 years later , he's running for senate and the media is all abuzz with all kinds of men getting thrown under the bus, so she gets all weepy and talks about a blowjob. Come on? I'm not buying it. Al Franken has put his fate in the Senate ethics panel so we'll see about him. ... Yes. The picture is pretty damning. But we could also just as likely argue she was in on the joke picture, and pretending to be asleep. Do you honestly believe Roy Moore? ... That's just it. It's all bout "Believing" "Pretending" one of them is telling the truth. Forty years in politics . That's what I'm looking at. Women have been too well known to fabricate situations , regarding powerful men, or well known men .... that's a fact. So do you honestly believe the woman 40 years later?.. I do not. Show me a police report. Why did she recoil? .... Ask her. Oh but the accuser never makes any statements. So the benefit of the doubt: cold hands? Surprise her shirt was loose? Either way, there is evidence [email] of her saying not to worry about it, it's fine. Why did he feel the need to apologize? ... Because he is NOT a stupid man. A woman reacts this way, one usually says, "Sorry". And he reconfirmed it by email, and she said accepted his apology. His firing , though , did come one day later after he wrote an article saying Al Franken should NOT resign. The headline: "The article was headlined “The absurdity of judging past actions by present standards." It may not be that easy for the victims..... If they are victims at all. Women are very manipulative and conniving. Millennia upon millennia of practice. Even the common man is duped daily into raising another man's child. He doesn't know unless he has a paternity test done.
| ||
|
Everybody is entitled to there opinion as long as they keep it civil. I'm a very firm believer of that. You are blessed. You are in a very small minority of people. I'm glad that's the case. Thanks for stopping by and commenting.
| ||
|
If it was a family member or close friend would you really give a damn about that person's career even if it was an isolated incident? .... Yes. That's the kind of person I am. Too many people are stretching the word of the law for money, and in the process completely ruining a persons life. Get both sides of the incident before you press charges. People have a tendency to react in a hostile manner without knowing the full story. For instance the shooting of the woman in San Francisco. That part is the main thing I'm having a problem with. If you are consoling someone why would your hands be so low? .... Consoling hadn't started yet. This slip happened when he reached around as she came in, or allowed him to come into her personal space. Completely not worth ending a man's 48 year career. Especially when he noticed she was startled and immediately apologized, and further, wrote an email apologizing, to which SHE replied, "It's okay don't worry about it".. I agree that some people can jump to the wrong conclusions but in this case I believe his side of the story is leaving something out. .... A belief isn't a fact. But what we do know, and evidence of, there was an email accepting his apology. I've never had a woman recoil from a hug and I've never apologized for giving a woman a hug. Have you? ....Hasn't happened , maybe she was surprised... I tried to find how tall she is, and could not. That detail could shed light on this. But he is 6'4".... Tall guy. This is a quote from a News source...“I meant to pat her back after she told me about her unhappiness and her shirt was open and my hand went up it about six inches. She recoiled. I apologized. I sent her an email of apology later and she replied that she had forgiven me and not to think about it. We were friends. We continued to be friendly right up until her lawyer called.” Please give me an example of this where there was just an allegation with no investigation..... I didn't say, "an investigation didn't happen", but then how could it , really, in many of these cases, unless the guy said he did it, otherwise, "Not guilty". When you hug a friend or relative your hands are high.... Not necessarily, hugging a friend of the opposite sex could just as likely be one arm high and the other low. If she is about the same height and wearing heels.... I can understand how this may have happened. True but telling the truth could invoke the same fear when the person has the power to fire you. ...... Women can be conniving. Can't get a raise? Then she makes something up, "Alleges" something , and ruins him. That's how many women operate. Please state your sources in a way that doesn't violate the TOU. .... Easier for you to just google they guy....it's the first page, and usually the first sever inputs. Roy Moore was known to chase teenage girls back in the day..... Doesn't mean anything. He was even banned from a local mall because of it. ...An article read: "The Roy Moore campaign on Monday issued a statement in an effort to refute at least one national report that the Alabama Republican Senate nominee had at one time been banned from the Gadsden Mall. The statement quoted what the campaign described as three former mall employees attesting that Moore had not been banned. In his case I believe the women completely. ... I don't. Forty years ago, 1977, in Alabama, and Moore was starting his career in politics.... but NO sexual harassment reports filed at the time. A white girl, with a white man, in 1977, and if she was all as upset about what happened, don't you think she would have told her daddy or the police? ......... But no. However , 40 years later , he's running for senate and the media is all abuzz with all kinds of men getting thrown under the bus, so she gets all weepy and talks about a blowjob. Come on? I'm not buying it. Al Franken has put his fate in the Senate ethics panel so we'll see about him. ... Yes. The picture is pretty damning. But we could also just as likely argue she was in on the joke picture, and pretending to be asleep. Do you honestly believe Roy Moore? ... That's just it. It's all bout "Believing" "Pretending" one of them is telling the truth. Forty years in politics . That's what I'm looking at. Women have been too well known to fabricate situations , regarding powerful men, or well known men .... that's a fact. So do you honestly believe the woman 40 years later?.. I do not. Show me a police report. Why did she recoil? .... Ask her. Oh but the accuser never makes any statements. So the benefit of the doubt: cold hands? Surprise her shirt was loose? Either way, there is evidence [email] of her saying not to worry about it, it's fine. Why did he feel the need to apologize? ... Because he is NOT a stupid man. A woman reacts this way, one usually says, "Sorry". And he reconfirmed it by email, and she said accepted his apology. His firing , though , did come one day later after he wrote an article saying Al Franken should NOT resign. The headline: "The article was headlined “The absurdity of judging past actions by present standards." It may not be that easy for the victims..... If they are victims at all. Women are very manipulative and conniving. Millennia upon millennia of practice. Even the common man is duped daily into raising another man's child. He doesn't know unless he has a paternity test done. I'm glad you can be such a fair minded person. Too many people are stretching the word of the law for money, and in the process completely ruining a persons life. True but it seems more are believable than not. Get both sides of the incident before you press charges. People have a tendency to react in a hostile manner without knowing the full story. I'll do my best. No promises. For instance the shooting of the woman in San Francisco. That part is the main thing I'm having a problem with. If you are consoling someone why would your hands be so low? .... Consoling hadn't started yet. This slip happened when he reached around as she came in, or allowed him to come into her personal space. Completely not worth ending a man's 48 year career. Especially when he noticed she was startled and immediately apologized, and further, wrote an email apologizing, to which SHE replied, "It's okay don't worry about it".. I agree that some people can jump to the wrong conclusions but in this case I believe his side of the story is leaving something out. .... A belief isn't a fact. But what we do know, and evidence of, there was an email accepting his apology. I've never had a woman recoil from a hug and I've never apologized for giving a woman a hug. Have you? ....Hasn't happened , maybe she was surprised... I tried to find how tall she is, and could not. That detail could shed light on this. But he is 6'4".... Tall guy. This is a quote from a News source...“I meant to pat her back after she told me about her unhappiness and her shirt was open and my hand went up it about six inches. She recoiled. I apologized. I sent her an email of apology later and she replied that she had forgiven me and not to think about it. We were friends. We continued to be friendly right up until her lawyer called.” Please give me an example of this where there was just an allegation with no investigation..... I didn't say, "an investigation didn't happen", but then how could it , really, in many of these cases, unless the guy said he did it, otherwise, "Not guilty". From what you've sated this person's lawyer should have a easy time Let's see how the legal system works for him if used. True but telling the truth could invoke the same fear when the person has the power to fire you. ...... Women can be conniving. Can't get a raise? Then she makes something up, "Alleges" something , and ruins him. That's how many women operate. This is an opinion. I disagree that many women operate that way. Roy Moore was known to chase teenage girls back in the day..... Doesn't mean anything. He was even banned from a local mall because of it. ...An article read: "The Roy Moore campaign on Monday issued a statement in an effort to refute at least one national report that the Alabama Republican Senate nominee had at one time been banned from the Gadsden Mall. The statement quoted what the campaign described as three former mall employees attesting that Moore had not been banned. In his case I believe the women completely. ... I don't. Forty years ago, 1977, in Alabama, and Moore was starting his career in politics.... but NO sexual harassment reports filed at the time. A white girl, with a white man, in 1977, and if she was all as upset about what happened, don't you think she would have told her daddy or the police? ......... But no. However , 40 years later , he's running for senate and the media is all abuzz with all kinds of men getting thrown under the bus, so she gets all weepy and talks about a blowjob. Come on? I'm not buying it. Even if you don't believe the one you listed, what about the rest of them? What if 30 something year old Roy Moore knocked on your door and asked if he could take your 17 year old daughter out on a date? If they are victims at all. Women are very manipulative and conniving. Millennia upon millennia of practice. Even the common man is duped daily into raising another man's child. He doesn't know unless he has a paternity test done. Do you know someone that this has happened to? You seem to speak of this topic like you have some experience with it.
| ||
|
From what you've sated this person's lawyer should have a easy time Let's see how the legal system works for him if used. ... Ha.. it's a "She said, He said", case. There won't be any jury . He retired with dishonor. He's 75. He doesn't need the stress from her drama. This is an opinion. I disagree that many women operate that way. ... No , it's a fact, because women are actually making allegations. Mostly "She said" this happened. If I were a Judge, I could not allow this "She said" to ruin a mans career. Even if you don't believe the one you listed, what about the rest of them? ... In the Weinstein situation, there were voice recordings.... In the CK situation, he admitted he did it. No, I don't "Believe" the rest of them. There is reasonable doubt they are telling the truth. What if 30 something year old Roy Moore knocked on your door and asked if he could take your 17 year old daughter out on a date? ... That's a "What if", scenario, argument that means nothing. There is an absurdity about judging the morality of the past by today's standards. Even further back in time, like in the early 1900s, in certain states men asked the fathers of daughters in their young teen years , for his blessing in marriage.
| ||
|
This is an opinion. I disagree that many women operate that way. ... No , it's a fact, because women are actually making allegations. Mostly "She said" this happened. If I were a Judge, I could not allow this "She said" to ruin a mans career. If it's a fact please tell me where you get the evidence to back up your claim. What if 30 something year old Roy Moore knocked on your door and asked if he could take your 17 year old daughter out on a date? ... That's a "What if", scenario, argument that means nothing. There is an absurdity about judging the morality of the past by today's standards. Even further back in time, like in the early 1900s, in certain states men asked the fathers of daughters in their young teen years , for his blessing in marriage. It's a hypothetical question but you can answer it. Even 40 years ago 30 year old men dating teenagers would be frowned upon and not be accepted.
|
Become a member to create a blog
