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northshoretake2 54M  
1629 posts
11/9/2016 9:22 am

"I am happy to see you also post that you will respect the office and I think that is key. nothing anyone can do to change it. but they can change how they live with in the choice the country made."

Could not have said it better myself. President Obama has just invited President Elect Trump to the White House to ensure a smooth transition, just as President Bush did for him.

Happiness is not having what you want, but wanting what you have.


ranchomongo 65M  
5209 posts
11/9/2016 9:40 am

I respect the office.. I just can t respect the man that is in that office..
just like the first day of Obama s start , I hope that the dems are working on a way to stop him in every way possible ..
what the fuck do we have to loose but another 4 yrs of nothing being done in Wash. D.C.


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tickles4us 56M
6776 posts
11/9/2016 10:52 am

The only thing good to say is that Trump isn't a true Republican but how much that will help is yet to be seen. Unfortunately it is up to him as to whether the office will get the respect it deserves and that will be determined by his behavior and actions.

What is a real disaster is the fact that the Republicans are now in charge in the house the senate and soon the office of the president.

Vive La Difference


tickles4us 56M
6776 posts
11/9/2016 11:02 am

Who knows what's going to happen in the supreme court over the next four years.

Vive La Difference


Gina_L07 62T
310 posts
11/9/2016 11:08 am

OK. I mentioned this already in another post but it bears repeating.

Around 50% voted and of that each candidate got about half. So that means that around 25% of voters dictated what we will get for the next four years. Now that is a scary thought.


redrockrascal 60M
18779 posts
11/9/2016 11:30 am

    Quoting tickles4us:
    Who knows what's going to happen in the supreme court over the next four years.
It will be "conservative" too.

I respect the office. But he has shown how little he respects people so I have none for him. Bush 2 put the US into a bad place in the world, this guy will get us close, if not in the middle of, WW III.

When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro.

The only thing we have to fear is fear itself.


nosexnu 58M
101 posts
11/9/2016 12:13 pm

As a silent independent voter who voted for Trumph...Ignoring the noise of ads and talking heads what I saw was Hillary's association and braggadocio with the elite and famous people not the common worker.
She was from the beginning seen as "championing the African American community by appearing only at Black churches and largely black cities...PERSONA

Hillary had a lot of policy papers posted on her website that no one read because "no money to pay for them" with out Congressional approval.. She threw the coal miners and those living in the rust belt and midwest under the bus..


hotfun_1966 52M  
3625 posts
11/9/2016 2:45 pm

    Quoting redrockrascal:
    It will be "conservative" too.

    I respect the office. But he has shown how little he respects people so I have none for him. Bush 2 put the US into a bad place in the world, this guy will get us close, if not in the middle of, WW III.
And what about Obama's "respect" for people and the oath of office he took? Not there at all! How many times did he break his oath knowing Congress had no will to enforce the separation of powers in the Constitution?

As for Trump being a war mongerer, recall that the exact same thing was said about Ronald Reagan during the 1980 campaign, and he turned out to be one of the best Presidents by not getting us into WW III. He set up Bush 41 to win the Cold War.


redrockrascal 60M
18779 posts
11/10/2016 5:25 pm

    Quoting hotfun_1966:
    And what about Obama's "respect" for people and the oath of office he took? Not there at all! How many times did he break his oath knowing Congress had no will to enforce the separation of powers in the Constitution?

    As for Trump being a war mongerer, recall that the exact same thing was said about Ronald Reagan during the 1980 campaign, and he turned out to be one of the best Presidents by not getting us into WW III. He set up Bush 41 to win the Cold War.
The Supreme Court has been a majority of Republican appointees while Obama has been POTUS.

Your talking about Reagan - I'm talking about Trump. Trump isn't Regan.
Your talking about the 1980s - I'm talking about 2016 - 2020. Very different times.
Your talking about the Cold War - I'm talking about current affairs in the world. ISIS, the crazy nuke armed psycho in N Korea and all the others who now have nukes.

When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro.

The only thing we have to fear is fear itself.


hotfun_1966 52M  
3625 posts
11/10/2016 7:24 pm

    Quoting  :

Iran/Contra was cooked up by Reagan's NSA staffers, namely LtCol Oliver North, and he made it very clear Reagan did not know about it until Congress investigated it.

As for the national debt, the increases needed for Reagan to reverse what Carter did to the defense infrastructure were minuscule (and paid for by the Republican Congress under Slick Willie), compared to the national debt Trump inherits from Obama, most of which is ACA/ObamaCare-related.


hotfun_1966 52M  
3625 posts
11/10/2016 7:28 pm

    Quoting redrockrascal:
    The Supreme Court has been a majority of Republican appointees while Obama has been POTUS.

    Your talking about Reagan - I'm talking about Trump. Trump isn't Regan.
    Your talking about the 1980s - I'm talking about 2016 - 2020. Very different times.
    Your talking about the Cold War - I'm talking about current affairs in the world. ISIS, the crazy nuke armed psycho in N Korea and all the others who now have nukes.
Respect for the Constitution is still important, and a number of Obama's extra-curricular Executive Orders were nixed by the SCOTUS. Regardless of the times, elected Federal officials are still required to follow the Constitution. (And remember just how much Slick Willie and Obama gave away to China, N. Korea, the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt, Iran and the forces behind ISIS when American forces were withdrawn in Iraq and Afghanistan.)


redrockrascal 60M
18779 posts
11/10/2016 7:47 pm

    Quoting hotfun_1966:
    Respect for the Constitution is still important, and a number of Obama's extra-curricular Executive Orders were nixed by the SCOTUS. Regardless of the times, elected Federal officials are still required to follow the Constitution. (And remember just how much Slick Willie and Obama gave away to China, N. Korea, the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt, Iran and the forces behind ISIS when American forces were withdrawn in Iraq and Afghanistan.)
Respect for the Constitution is still important Absolutely true.

And the SOTUS (with a conservative majority) didn’t reverse all of the POTUS Executive Orders. That is how the system was designed – checks and balances.

Bill Clinton also caved to conservatives when he signed the repeal of the remnants of The Glass-Steagall Act, which bit us on the ass in 2007.

The withdrawal from Iraq and Afghanistan was agreed to before Obama was elected. And the leader of Iraq was Bush’s guy, which didn’t work out so well as you pointed out. Bush 2 also got us into Iraq where there were no WMDs.

When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro.

The only thing we have to fear is fear itself.


hotfun_1966 52M  
3625 posts
11/11/2016 4:17 pm

    Quoting  :

It's total deniability if they never told him about it, which they did not. Part of being a great leader is delegating responsibility, as well as taking responsibility if they did something wrong in their name, as Reagan did when it came to light.

Wrong on Obama. The debt TRIPLED during his presidency, and he is also the only POTUS not to achieve at least 3% growth in Gross Domestic Product.

The unemployment numbers are not accurate, since, as I am sure you may know, they do not count those who gave up trying to find work.

The individual mandate is nothing more than wealth redistribution.


hotfun_1966 52M  
3625 posts
11/11/2016 4:21 pm

    Quoting  :

Saddam Hussein could have stopped it at any time before the war by complying with the inspectors. He brought it on himself.

As for the reports of WMD, all were misled. He did not YET have them, but was gearing up TO have them.


hotfun_1966 52M  
3625 posts
11/11/2016 4:51 pm

    Quoting redrockrascal:
    Respect for the Constitution is still important Absolutely true.

    And the SOTUS (with a conservative majority) didn’t reverse all of the POTUS Executive Orders. That is how the system was designed – checks and balances.

    Bill Clinton also caved to conservatives when he signed the repeal of the remnants of The Glass-Steagall Act, which bit us on the ass in 2007.

    The withdrawal from Iraq and Afghanistan was agreed to before Obama was elected. And the leader of Iraq was Bush’s guy, which didn’t work out so well as you pointed out. Bush 2 also got us into Iraq where there were no WMDs.
They reversed 90+ percent of them, though. Quite true, that was one of the times they executed their checks. ObamaCare, CJ Roberts caved to Obama, shame on him.

Remember, it was a Democratic-controlled Senate that allowed Citibank to start issuing those negotiated certificates of deposit back in 1961, and that's where the problems of 2007-2008 really took root. Yet for nearly a decade after the GLBA, there were no problems. The major culprit was all the sub-prime mortgage securities, bundled by the banks. The sub-prime mortgages were heavily encouraged by WJC to bump up minority home ownership through Frannie Mae and Freddie Mac.

Most agree that the intelligence regarding Saddam Hussein having WMDs was flawed. He did not YET have them, but was gearing up TO have them. Saddam could have cooperated with the inspectors at any time before the war, but he chose not to, thus he brought it on himself.


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