Letter to an English Friend  

kzoopair 67M/65F  
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5/17/2017 4:25 pm
Letter to an English Friend


Letter to an English Friend:

Dear Spunky,

It’s pretty clear to me that there was collusion between not just the Russians and Trump's team but Trump himself. He brags that he doesn't play by the rules, and that he games the system. I'm sure some voters saw that as an asset, as if knowing how to beat the system meant that he understood it and could win the Washington game for them, but that's the same lie we were told when Bush and Obama tried to persuade us that the guys who caused the financial meltdown were just the guys to fix it, since no one understood it better than them. The biggest lie was in the last phrase- they didn't understand it. Then Fed chairman Alan Greenspan: “Those of us who have looked to the self-interest of lending institutions to protect shareholders’ equity, myself included, are in a state of shocked disbelief,” he told the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform." That quote is from the New Yorker. From NBC: “A critical pillar to market competition and free markets did break down,” Greenspan said. “I still do not fully understand why it happened.”

I don't think Trump thought he would lose without help from Putin. I think it's simply the way he operates. What evidence beyond his behavior for the last seventy years is needed to observe that the fat fuck has no moral compass? The goddamned media has bought into the current "post truth" fetish. The only reason they cover him now is the same reason they gave him a trillion dollars worth of free advertising during the campaign. The media loves conflict and Trump is loaded for bear with potential conflict. He's certain clickbait, and the media doesn't give a shit if it's negative or positive- “Just look at our fucking ads, stupid". They're corporate whores, and covering his reality show antics is a hell of a lot cheaper than paying for good investigative journalism.

There are a few things going on with Trump that although they aren't news ought to be repeated here. One, he lies so egregiously and so often that it's difficult to sort it all out and winnow out whatever germ of truth might have accidentally wandered into his remarks.. Second, although he claims not to care what others think of him, he's in fact so thin skinned that he can't let any criticism slide, no matter how trivial. He tries to cover his dumb ass with bluster in cases like this. Hence, when he blurted out that he fired James Comey to end the investigation into his ties with Russia, it was not only true- disconcerting enough coming from a congenital liar- but bluster. It was Trump's great "Fuck you!" to the system. He doesn't have a feel for politics at all, and cut the legs out from under his entire staff, who were trying to pass off their own outrageous and completely different lie that Comey was fired for being mean to Hillary. But of course we're reeling from the audacity of it all and stand by gobsmacked. He hasn't been able to decide which he's going to react with, one of the lies or more bluster, so he's used both and we're left wondering if he's arrogant or stupid, when in fact both things are true. In any case it was an unbelievably stupid admission, bluster or not.

It couldn't be more obvious, or more simple, that Comey was fired for exactly the reason Trump gave- he didn't like the Trump/Russia investigation and wanted to end it. The simplest explanation is very often the most likely, and whether Trump had chosen to lie or tell the truth, ending the investigation is the one thing he might think he had to gain from dismissing Comey. But of course he only succeeded in making himself guilty of obstruction of justice, coincidentally the exact offense that brought Richard Nixon face to face with impeachment and resulted in his resignation to avoid that fate.

What Hunter S. Thompson wrote about Nixon over forty years ago is also true of Trump: The son-of-a-bitch ought to have his nuts ripped off with a plastic fork. When Trump thumbs his nose at the system he gets big cheers from his hard core of supporters, but what he's thumbing his nose at is our system of checks and balances and our rule of law. He thinks he's above the law and his staunchest backers are looking for revenge against a government that they think has sold them down the river, so every nail he drives in the coffin of the republic sends them into an ecstasy of perceived retaliation. They don't recognize white privilege and are so blind to it that equality looks like oppression to them. And they have no loyalty to that system anymore for all their protestations of patriotism and love for America. They claim to love a vanished America, and indeed many of them do pine for the vanished and traitorius Confederate States of America, paragon of Christian virtue that it was.

There is a recent article in The Nation magazine by Susan McWilliams: "This Political Theorist Predicted the Rise of Trumpism. His Name Was Hunter S. Thompson.”.

McWilliams points out that Thompson described the culture and motivation of our present class of Trump deplorables fifty years ago in his book " Hell’s Angels: The Strange and Terrible Saga of the Outlaw Motorcycle Gangs". Thompson chronicled the philosophy of violent and total retribution that was followed by the Angels against anyone who crossed them, which meant pretty much any outsider, and almost all of us are outsiders to them. I remember the book well, and Thompson in his turn had credited Nelson Algren from his book, "A Walk on the Wild Side".

"Algren’s book opens with one of the best historical descriptions of American white
trash ever written.
He traces the Linkhorn ancestry back to the first wave of bonded
servants to arrive on these shores. These were the dregs of society from all over the British
Isles – misfits, criminals, debtors, social bankrupts of every type and description – all of
them willing to sign oppressive work contracts with future employers in exchange for
ocean passage to the New World. Once here, they endured a form of slavery for a year or
two – during which they were fed and sheltered by the boss – and when their time of
bondage ended, they were turned loose to make their own way."

Later:

Drifting became a habit; with dead roots in the Old World and none in the New, the
Linkhorns were not of a mind to dig in and cultivate things. Bondage too became a habit,
but it was only the temporary kind. They were not pioneers, but sleazy rearguard camp followers of the original westward movement. By the time the Linkhorns arrived anywhere
the land was already taken – so they worked for a while and moved on. Their world was a
violent, boozing limbo between the pits of despair and the Big Rock Candy Mountain. They
kept drifting west, chasing jobs, rumors, homestead grabs or the luck of some front-running
kin. They lived off the surface of the land, like armyworms, stripping it of whatever they
could before moving on. It was a day-to-day existence, and there was always more land to
the west.
Some stayed behind and their lineal descendants are still there – in the Carolinas,
Kentucky, West Virginia and Tennessee. There were dropouts all along the way: hillbillies,
Okies, Arkies – they’re all the same people. Texas is a living monument to the breed. So is southern California."

I know these people, Spunky. I grew up with them, went to school with them and worked with them. Lived next door to them. I don't shrink at all from identifying them as deplorables and racists. Not many of them ever did believe that Trump would fix their problems or bring back their jobs, dumb as they are. What they liked were the things that repelled the rest of us, Trump's open misogyny and bigotry. They liked his fascism. He blamed the same people they blame- anyone seen as not "one of us", and they're out to burn down the system, burn it all down, since being white and Christian is no longer enough to buy them special treatment. In the past was a time when no matter how low they were in the pecking order, at least they weren't black or brown skinned or Jews, and by God that meant something. If the system won't give them back what they once had they mean to see to it that nobody has it.

In an earlier time we'd have been able to count on a congress that still had some vestiges of decency to thwart Trump's ambition and restrain his excesses, but this is no longer that time. The "Freedom Caucus" wing of the House, put there in the rebellion once known as the Tea Party, was elected by the folks Thompson and Algren described, Bible thumping, hellfire and brimstone preaching, hard drinking and bitter, and the right wing ideologues that make up the rest of the Republican congress are more interested in their own agenda of stripping away the last threads of an already shredded New Deal. Theirs is a bankrupt political philosophy demonstrated to be false time and again, but these are Ayn Rand devoteés and they believe with the fervor and fanaticism of true believers. They are beholden to huge muti-national corporations which are now the sugar tit they suckle. Democrats will put up some resistance but many of them are nursing from the same tit. The Democrats will bring a hacky sack to a street fight.

Plainly the incidents of Russian hacking and Comey's ill-advised tepid dismissal of the email charges against Hillary had an effect on the election. Only a fool would find nothing suspicious about the timing of that move. But concentrating on that distracts attention from an unrelenting assault by the Republican party in legislatures across the country on the voting rights of minorities, most of whom would vote Democratic. Voter suppression is not there yet, but it’s approaching the old Jim Crow years and includes the conservative Supreme Court’s repudiation of the Voting Rights Act of 1965 and its decision in Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission. When you add in the apathy many of those same voters feel, and the defeat of the most acceptable alternative to either Hillary or Trump- Bernie Sanders- the voting rolls were trimmed and diverted enough for Trump to just squeeze in. And squeeze he did! He won the popular vote in Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania by a tiny amount, giving him the bare edge in electoral votes. Inquiries into the legality and accuracy of the vote were slammed shut by Republican legislatures in each case and we may never know whether there was hacking at the state level by the Russians or ballot manipulation by the Republicans. Journalist Greg Palast has reported on shenanigins in several states, but of course it’s buried in an avalanche of clown show performances by the Trump administration. And given the constant barrage of misdeeds by that administration, it seems likely that any election irregularities will take a permanent back seat to more pressing issues, leaving us vulnerable to a repeat performance in 2020.

We’ve been there and done that. In the election of 2000 it was made clear that reform of our federal elections was badly needed and that some kind of standardization of procedures by the states was in order. We have had one Democratic House since then and they did not address it. You can bet your last quid that no Republican congress is going to devote itself to the mantra of one man, one vote. As far as they’re concerned money talks and everything else walks. It’s interesting to me that the Old South and the Dixiecrats who waved its flag considered blacks to be property and thus ineligible to vote, while now they’re married to the party whose idea is that property should indeed have a vote.


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kzoopair 67M/65F  
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5/17/2017 4:30 pm

I thought I had commented enough but I had just this one thing more to say:

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tickles4us 56M
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5/17/2017 4:51 pm

Very well said.

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kzoopair 67M/65F  
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5/17/2017 4:56 pm

Thanks Tickles. I can't write about it or even think about it every day, although it's hard to set aside. It's too depressing for words. I don't think the situation is lost or unsalvageable, but a hell of a lot of damage has been done.

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NaughtyInSO 107F
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5/17/2017 6:40 pm

The Electoral college has to go. This system makes it way too easy to sway the results. And, the Supreme Court should be stripped of all powers over the voting process.

I'm not saying these change would solve all the problems but they would be a change in the right direction.

Bravo, my friend! Great post.

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kzoopair 67M/65F  
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5/17/2017 7:52 pm

    Quoting NaughtyInSO:
    The Electoral college has to go. This system makes it way too easy to sway the results. And, the Supreme Court should be stripped of all powers over the voting process.

    I'm not saying these change would solve all the problems but they would be a change in the right direction.

    Bravo, my friend! Great post.
I agree with you about the electoral college. It certainly failed to do its job in the last election. If you read the debates in the Federalist and Anti-Federalist papers the main concern was to provide a safety valve so that the popular vote could not install a demagogue or someone unfit as president. But it's been a thorn in our side before that as well. The travesty of the election of 1876 and resulting Compromise of 1877 depended on the electoral college. Without it Tilden, who won the popular vote, would have been president.

As much as I dislike the decisions of conservative courts, I have to say- that's politics. We win some and we lose some. That doesn't mean the decisions will be good ones but in our system the Supreme Court is the final arbiter of the law. I'm an enormous fan of FDR, but his court packing plan stunk.

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Furbal1972 46M
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5/17/2017 10:18 pm

I wish I could turn away from this shit-show, but it is on TV and in my feeds 24/7. .. It is one crisis after another. .. It's not that I don't want to keep up to date, but it is becoming too much.

I don't see the Russians letting Trump in on their plans to interfere with the election. He would be the ultimate loose end! .. But they sure made it messy, and Trump didn't help with his cabinet appointments.

The tide is turning. He is losing his backing. I can see the GOP soon abandoning this sinking ship.

These investigations will be fun to watch. .. I do like to see Republicans squirm.

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Annie_34 60T
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5/17/2017 10:20 pm


Bonjour Kzoopair
Peut-être faudrait il relire
Histoire de la décadence et de la chute de l'Empire romain de Edward Gibbon
♥ Poton ♥ Bisou ♥ Annie ♥


Hello Kzoopair
Perhaps we should re-read
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azriel1970 48M  
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5/18/2017 4:55 am

I could not have stated it any better!!!!


spunkycumfun 58M/63F  
36123 posts
5/18/2017 5:53 am

I have to pinch myself that the Trump administration is an administration and not a dystopian television reality show!
On the radio last night one American veteran journalist thought that assassination may get Trump before impeachment!


kzoopair 67M/65F  
25338 posts
5/18/2017 7:52 am

    Quoting Furbal1972:
    I wish I could turn away from this shit-show, but it is on TV and in my feeds 24/7. .. It is one crisis after another. .. It's not that I don't want to keep up to date, but it is becoming too much.

    I don't see the Russians letting Trump in on their plans to interfere with the election. He would be the ultimate loose end! .. But they sure made it messy, and Trump didn't help with his cabinet appointments.

    The tide is turning. He is losing his backing. I can see the GOP soon abandoning this sinking ship.

    These investigations will be fun to watch. .. I do like to see Republicans squirm.
I'd like to turn it off too, and I do to some extent. There's a regular avalanche of shit every day. Trump's administration is every bit as bad as was predicted and worse. I don't agree with you though that Trump was kept out of the loop by Putin or by Trump's own staff. Trump has demonstrated over and over again that he's a sociopath who doesn't recognize the same constraints the rest of us do. Putin is being paid back on his investment in Trump tenfold, and the coup de grace is that Trump knew enough to hang himself. It isn't plausible that the man who claims to know everything, to be "like a smart person", can now claim ignorance.

I like seeing these Republicans squirm too but let's hope they don't squirm their way out of their own responsibility for this.

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kzoopair 67M/65F  
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5/18/2017 7:58 am

    Quoting Annie_34:

    Bonjour Kzoopair
    Peut-être faudrait il relire
    Histoire de la décadence et de la chute de l'Empire romain de Edward Gibbon
    ♥ Poton ♥ Bisou ♥ Annie ♥


    Hello Kzoopair
    Perhaps we should re-read
    History of the Decadence and Fall of the Roman Empire by Edward Gibbon
    ♥ Kiss ♥ Annie ♥

I'm glad you brought that up, Annie. Fifty years ago I read an interview with the British historian Arnold Toynbee in which he gave the United States fifty years as the preeminent world power, due to the accelerating pace of global political events. It shocked me and I didn't want to accept it, but that's exactly what's unfolding before our eyes right now. Over the five decades since, Toynbee's prediction been uncannily accurate.

Je suis content que vous l'ayez souvenu, Annie. Il y a cinquante ans, j'ai lu une interview avec l'historien britannique Arnold Toynbee dans lequel il a donné aux États-Unis cinquante ans comme la puissance mondiale prééminente, en raison du rythme accéléré des événements politiques mondiaux. Cela m'a choqué et je ne voulais pas l'accepter, mais c'est exactement ce qui se déroule devant nos yeux en ce moment. Au cours des cinq décennies qui ont suivi, la prédiction de Toynbee a été incroyablement précise.

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kzoopair 67M/65F  
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5/18/2017 8:01 am

    Quoting azriel1970:
    I could not have stated it any better!!!!
Thanks, Azriel. I think if I were a journalist who had to write copy on this every day I'd need narcotics to get me through it. We've had dark times in our history before, but this self inflicted wound is especially painful. I hope it doesn't prove to be fatal.

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kzoopair 67M/65F  
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5/18/2017 8:10 am

    Quoting spunkycumfun:
    I have to pinch myself that the Trump administration is an administration and not a dystopian television reality show!
    On the radio last night one American veteran journalist thought that assassination may get Trump before impeachment!
But it is a dystopian reality TV show! Our free and independent press was complicit in the Trumpening of the republic, and now they're feasting on the chaos they helped create like the carrion feeders they are. There's no right or wrong in this for them- just money to be made.

I hope Trump will not be assassinated. I'm still hoping that enough congressmen will find their spines to do what's right for the country and impeach him. That kind of rejection, and the rejection of history, is the perfect punishment for the ultimate narcissist that Trump is. If the rule of law can win out here we will have salvaged something from this nightmare.

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sweet_VM 60F  
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5/18/2017 10:35 am

Well done! Well said by the way.. All I saw was my investments going down this week.. Time will only tell how long he will be in office. hugssssss V

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kzoopair 67M/65F  
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5/18/2017 11:52 am

    Quoting sweet_VM:
    Well done! Well said by the way.. All I saw was my investments going down this week.. Time will only tell how long he will be in office. hugssssss V
Thanks, V. I want him to be in there long enough to have his misdeeds confirmed by the many investigations of him. There will be whining that he was hounded from office anyway, but I want to see good hard evidence that's documented, to set a precedent. Trump himself is already whining about a witch hunt against him, no real surprise because he never admits mistakes. We're in for a rough time of it if Trump is succeeded by the right wing nutcase Pence, but it has to be established that the law can prevail and remove this incompetent from office.

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wickedeasy 68F  
31953 posts
5/18/2017 12:41 pm

i wish i had the ability to write like this. it is at once cogent and compelling.

i find it difficult to keep moving, some days i find myself inexplicably exhausted as i rise from bed. Two large marches coming and there is work to be done. letters to be mailed. calls to be made. Pence is not a solution so we are searching for a way to negate the election process.

sending you love. i wish i could send hope but i am finding it in short supply.

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kzoopair 67M/65F  
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5/18/2017 12:55 pm

    Quoting wickedeasy:
    i wish i had the ability to write like this. it is at once cogent and compelling.

    i find it difficult to keep moving, some days i find myself inexplicably exhausted as i rise from bed. Two large marches coming and there is work to be done. letters to be mailed. calls to be made. Pence is not a solution so we are searching for a way to negate the election process.

    sending you love. i wish i could send hope but i am finding it in short supply.
Ah, thanks wicked, but I admire your own writing. You have a beautiful style.
I can't do what you do, and that's one of the reasons I've stayed here.

This constant drama does wear me down, so I'm limiting my intake. Pence is a terrible solution. It's like jumping from the frying pan to the fire. He's straight out of Margaret Atwood's Gilead in "A Handmaid's Tale". But the devil you know is better than the devil you don't. Trump himself is an armed nuclear warhead looking for a place to detonate. He's the ultimate terrorist- a lunatic on the inside, and utterly unpredictable.

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smartasswoman 61F  
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5/18/2017 3:32 pm

I like your take on the deplorables.

But they ARE part of our country and their vote should count the same as anyone else's. We are so polarized that I despair of reasonable compromise ever being part of the legislative process again.


kzoopair 67M/65F  
25338 posts
5/18/2017 5:33 pm

    Quoting smartasswoman:
    I like your take on the deplorables.

    But they ARE part of our country and their vote should count the same as anyone else's. We are so polarized that I despair of reasonable compromise ever being part of the legislative process again.
Their votes should count as much as anyone else's. But they don't. When the votes of other citizens are suppressed their votes count much much more than anyone else's. They're used to it and the notion that each vote is equal infuriates them. This is what I meant by my references to white privilege.

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sexysixties2 71F  
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5/19/2017 1:15 pm

Very well said my friend. I am horrified to see what is happenning in your country now. I sincerely hope to see Trump impeached in the not too distant future.

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kzoopair 67M/65F  
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5/19/2017 7:02 pm

    Quoting sexysixties2:
    Very well said my friend. I am horrified to see what is happenning in your country now. I sincerely hope to see Trump impeached in the not too distant future.
Thanks, Sexy! I want to see him gone too. But I'm thinking that if it takes two years, or at least eighteen months, Congress might just be so tied up in fighting this battle that we might hope to turn Congress itself. It's an uphill battle for too many reasons to list and I don't want to hope too much, but we're in grievous need of a check on executive power right at the moment, and we'll need that check in spades if Pence were to become president.

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KItkat1415 56F  
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5/20/2017 11:40 pm

Hey You!
I took a long break Friday and today (Saturday) from all my feeds. How refreshing to not see every bump and crazy lump!
Sometimes it seems a new revelation hourly!
It helps that I nownhave a well placed friend in Washington, and just found out I have a source now in the CIA! Ack...
Well done, my friend, and bravo!
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Wantingsexymind2 48F  
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5/21/2017 6:50 am

You have articulated so many of my thoughts much better than I could ever have put into words! I am appalled on so many levels. There is so much to respond too in your post and I am at a loss for words.

I will say this though, discrepancy with voting has occurred before with a self interested ego based man who was only focused on his and those who follow his financial interests....it happened when Bush was elected too. He should never have won the election to become president.

Humans are so stupid they keep repeating history.

When Trump entered the political race, my grandma and I had a conversation and she is old....so she knows a lot more than I do!

She said, " That man reminds me of Hitler and God Bless not just the U.S. if he becomes President but the whole world."

Those words stuck with me and the irony is that later he was compared to Hitler publicly.

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kzoopair 67M/65F  
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5/21/2017 8:03 am

    Quoting KItkat1415:
    Hey You!
    I took a long break Friday and today (Saturday) from all my feeds. How refreshing to not see every bump and crazy lump!
    Sometimes it seems a new revelation hourly!
    It helps that I nownhave a well placed friend in Washington, and just found out I have a source now in the CIA! Ack...
    Well done, my friend, and bravo!
    Kk
Thanks, KItkat. Breaks are good for what ails you. The scrolling news feed would have you believe that you have to be informed up to the nanosecond, but that's only enervating. Much of the media is delivering the same message they have for years now- "Be afraid!" I don't have any well placed friends in Washington, the CIA or anywhere else.

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kzoopair 67M/65F  
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5/21/2017 8:20 am

    Quoting Wantingsexymind2:
    You have articulated so many of my thoughts much better than I could ever have put into words! I am appalled on so many levels. There is so much to respond too in your post and I am at a loss for words.

    I will say this though, discrepancy with voting has occurred before with a self interested ego based man who was only focused on his and those who follow his financial interests....it happened when Bush was elected too. He should never have won the election to become president.

    Humans are so stupid they keep repeating history.

    When Trump entered the political race, my grandma and I had a conversation and she is old....so she knows a lot more than I do!

    She said, " That man reminds me of Hitler and God Bless not just the U.S. if he becomes President but the whole world."

    Those words stuck with me and the irony is that later he was compared to Hitler publicly.

    My Grandma is a smart woman she see's people as they are and I like to think I do too.
Thanks WSM. The 2016 election illustrates what happens when the amygdala is given the vote. I used to be in favor of universal adult suffrage but now I'm not so sure. The fascists and I might actually be on the same page in that way- we just disagree on who to prevent from voting! Joking aside, it isn't difficult to see what the motivation was for Trump supporters. Anger, bitterness and fear drove his poll numbers and the nastier he got, the more he incited them to express their rage and violence, the more they ate it up. There have been shit slinging contests before in American history but the last election gives nothing away to earlier ones when it comes to vitriol and mendacity.

There is a cultural divide in the nation and it's hard to see it ending well. Putin has pulled off a coup that would make Stalin proud. Trump is set up as a papier maché Caesar Augustus- no one but Trump can solve our problems- and millions were deluded enough to buy it.

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08540Tantrafun 54M  
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5/21/2017 6:52 pm

Bill, Trump is not the cause, he is the effect. The white working class (WWC) was marginalized and they voted with their middle finger against the ruling elites of both parties. Both Bush and Clinton. They have very good reason for doing so.

The WWC is plagued by crisis within and without — household income has been stagnant for 40 years. The mortality rate for whites 45 to 54 years old with no more than a high-school education skyrocketed. Opioids arrived and factories left. Democrats pretended to not see it. Repeatedly said things are just great and pointed to 5% unemployment rate.
Clinton signed the NAFTA that Bush Proposed. Factories relocated and mass immigration legal and illegal, drove down already stagnant wages for scares jobs that WWC qualified for. They imposed environmental policies meant to crush carbon-intensive industries, that has been a large part of their employment.

Then they mocked their victims as rednecks on the wrong side of history. Trump capitalized on this. Told the WWC what they wanted to hear and got elected.

So the "UN-redeemable deplorable s" gave them the middle finger once Bernie's nomination was stolen. Bernie would have easily beaten DJT.

DJT is still way better than Pence or Ted Cruz. DJT has no ideology. he is just a malignant Narcissist, who wants people to blow sunshine up his ass. God help us if he resigns and pence and the ideologues who are on a mission from god, who believe in American exceptionalism and prosperity doctrine takes the reign. Prosperity doctrine is as close to Plato's republic, eugenics movement and Nazi ideology as you can get.

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08540Tantrafun 54M  
1082 posts
5/22/2017 9:46 am

Being married to a female version of Trump, I can tell you they are amoral creatures. They need affirmation, adoration, adulation. They see things in binary. He after all the vitriolic attack against Muslims, went to Saudi Arabia and accepted Saudi Version of middle east. He will use this to have the Arabs recognize and have diplomatic relations Israel within 6 months. He might be awarded Nobel for this.
On the home front he will plagiarize Ryans proposal for budget. Cut Medicare, Medicaid and stop the $7 billion off the books payment for Obama care. It will infuriate the entire electorate and will force elitists of both parties to actually move towards a single payer system. Trump has no ideology he will embrace what ever makes him popular.
He is not going to get impeached. The corporaists already got 500billion plus from the Saudi's. 110 billion arms trade now plus 250 for support and related services. 40 billion for Gladstone group. 15 billion in electrical equipment for GE. (more to come from U.A.E, Egypt and Qathar) He destroyed the French, British, Australian and German defense companies in just 2 days. Now even the Europeans will have to buy U.S equipment. Corporatists will keep him around. Hopefully the voting public sick of D.C will throw out the career politicians.

We will see a lot of high quality women with Ph.D's and M.D's running for office and win, that are not part of Clinton's feminazi movement.

"Rules for happiness: something to do, someone to love, something to hope for.”― Immanuel Kant .


kzoopair 67M/65F  
25338 posts
5/22/2017 10:02 am

    Quoting 08540Tantrafun:
    Bill, Trump is not the cause, he is the effect. The white working class (WWC) was marginalized and they voted with their middle finger against the ruling elites of both parties. Both Bush and Clinton. They have very good reason for doing so.

    The WWC is plagued by crisis within and without — household income has been stagnant for 40 years. The mortality rate for whites 45 to 54 years old with no more than a high-school education skyrocketed. Opioids arrived and factories left. Democrats pretended to not see it. Repeatedly said things are just great and pointed to 5% unemployment rate.
    Clinton signed the NAFTA that Bush Proposed. Factories relocated and mass immigration legal and illegal, drove down already stagnant wages for scares jobs that WWC qualified for. They imposed environmental policies meant to crush carbon-intensive industries, that has been a large part of their employment.

    Then they mocked their victims as rednecks on the wrong side of history. Trump capitalized on this. Told the WWC what they wanted to hear and got elected.

    So the "UN-redeemable deplorable s" gave them the middle finger once Bernie's nomination was stolen. Bernie would have easily beaten DJT.

    DJT is still way better than Pence or Ted Cruz. DJT has no ideology. he is just a malignant Narcissist, who wants people to blow sunshine up his ass. God help us if he resigns and pence and the ideologues who are on a mission from god, who believe in American exceptionalism and prosperity doctrine takes the reign. Prosperity doctrine is as close to Plato's republic, eugenics movement and Nazi ideology as you can get.
White working class disenfranchised? You've got to be kidding me! You'll read this in both right and left leaning media but it's bullshit wherever it comes from. The middle class is being squeezed to death, and certainly people who work for a living don't get a hell of a lot from either party, but most working class people who've been thrown out of work are not white- minorities have been hit harder by the sellout to Wall Street than anyone else. It's the role of a demagogue to fix blame on something or someone simple and that's what Trump has done- pointed a finger at "the others", i.e., brown people and women of any color. I hardly see how this absolves him from any responsibility for his own actions. He's empowered people to give free rein to their basest instincts.

The disenfranchisement you talk about is something I addressed specifically in the essay: "They don't recognize white privilege and are so blind to it that equality looks like oppression to them."

You tell me that Trump is not the cause but the effect. Explain to me then who's responsible for his dishonesty. How about his complete ignorance of any of the issues a president must address, like foreign and domestic policy? Is Trump then not responsible for his utter incompetence as an administrative executive? Will yo try to persuade me that he is not responsible for the obstruction of justice implicit in firing James Comey? Are you going to tell me that the pussy grabber can't be held accountable for grabbing pussy? Is that true for all of us, or just for Trump?

I have to confess I'm baffled by your continued attempts to make excuses for Donald Trump. There is not only nothing about him to admire but absolutely nothing that deserves any respect.

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08540Tantrafun 54M  
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5/22/2017 2:42 pm

Bill, I am not making excuses for Trump. He is a 70 years old Narcissist. he is not going to change. To me this is great. Plato wrote that a united elite could resist popular uprisings. Power can change hands to the ruled,only when the ruling class is fractured. Colonialism was based on this principle. Gandhi knew this as well as Martin Luther king and Nelson Mandela. Black lives, Native American lives, poor whites life and immigrants life really don't matter in politics. It never has. Change happens not because of great enlightenment or humanitarian reason. It happens when the ruling classes economic interests are in conflict with each other and their unity is split.

Clinton and Bush are part of the same cabal. Sanders, even if he had won would have been treated like Carter. I love the fact that these elites are fighting each other. Trump if he stays in power for 2 years will completely fracture the globalist elites. Untill now we have over 90% of the ruling classes puppets getting reelected. Most of the candidates of both sides are picked, groomed and promoted by the elites and the media owned by them. Trump has already infuriated half the voting public.

Narcissits gas light. The die hard Trump supporters are going to find out tomorrow (Trump budget aka Ryans budget) that they been had. The budget he presents tomorrow will hit WWC, Medicare and Medicaid recipients hard.

People are going to come out with pitch forks at politicians when they go back to their districts. Trump will force the poltitions to defend the undefencible, enraging the public even further. So far only chavetzz resigned.

B&B Circus may have shut down. Trump show goes on. MIC and Banksters will keep him in office since he is good for their business. People will take their anger on senators, congressman and governors. They will throw the bums out. This could not have happened now with Hillery, Bush or Sanders in the white house. So I am delighted that trump is enraging the electorates to take action, while driving the Elites bat shit crazy and fracturing their unity at the same time.

Trump is inspiring nationalists in Europe. Brexit is done Frexit is a possibility. Scotland and Ireland is making noises. George bush's New world Order designed by neo-cons seems to be in trouble. The leader and creator of NWO, the U.S under trump is torpedoing the very concept. He is warring with the very institutions built to promote NWO namely U.N, Nato, E.U. Absolute unity among the elites untill now in the U.S, Canada, Mexico, Europe and Asia is gone. Trump is the mother of all bombs that is making it happen. If you don't focus on his words and actions, you will see that the results are what you and I would find desirable.

Bill even though our approach may be different, the outcome we desire is the same. A job that brings dignity, life, liberty, pursuit of happiness, equality and freedom to pursue ones goals aspirations and express it in peace and safety.

"Rules for happiness: something to do, someone to love, something to hope for.”― Immanuel Kant .


08540Tantrafun 54M  
1082 posts
5/23/2017 10:23 am

How was that for my prediction. A budget designed by former freedom caucus Rep Mulvaney. It is off the people, far the people, buy the people. It is a budget for the elites by the elites. Let them eat beautiful chocolate cakes budget “We are no longer going to measure compassion by the number of programs or number of people on those programs,” “It’s a taxpayer-first budget,” .Office of Management and Budget (OM Director Mick Mulvaney author of budget named “A New Foundation for American Greatness,”

“This is, I think, the first time in a long time that an administration has written a budget through the eyes of the people who are actually paying the taxes,” said Mick Mulvaney. House Speaker Paul Ryan says President Donald Trump's budget proposal for the coming fiscal year prioritizes "American taxpayers over Washington bureaucrats" while strengthening the military. Ryan says "we can finally turn the page on the Obama era of bloated budgets that never balance."
Ryan says "President Trump has proven his commitment to fiscal responsibility with a budget that will grow the economy."

Revolutions are made of these.

All $880 billion in Medicaid cuts included in the Republican health plan that has passed the House, plus $610 billion in additional cuts due to adopting an even stingier formula for increasing Medicaid funding year over year. This amounts to a total cut to Medicaid of over 47 percent.
$191 billion in cuts from Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program, or food stamps, over 10 years. That's about a 25 percent cut.
$40.4 billion in cuts to the earned income tax credit and child tax credit over 10 years, programs that, along with SNAP, make up much of the US's safety net for poor people. T
$21.6 billion in cuts to Temporary Assistance for Needy Families, or welfare, over 10 years.
Huge cuts to most federal agencies: a 31.4 percent cut to the Environmental Protection Agency budget, 29.1 percent cut to the State Department, 20.5 percent to Agriculture, 19.8 percent to Labor, 16.2 percent to Health and Human Services, 15.8 percent to Commerce, 13.2 percent to Housing and Urban Development, 12.7 percent to Transportation, and 10.9 percent to Interior.

"Rules for happiness: something to do, someone to love, something to hope for.”― Immanuel Kant .


kzoopair 67M/65F  
25338 posts
7/23/2017 8:38 am

    Quoting joisygirl:
    It beggars belief that this is what we have for a president and the misfits he's cobbled together into his ever changing administration, altered (daily it seems) on the whims of this mercurial natured misfit of a human being himself. It's frightening to imagine where it all may lead. Margaret Atwood's view of dystopian near future, The Handmaid's Tale, has now been made into a chilling weekly television series, Atwood's vision doesn't seem so far fetched at this moment in time. The thought that the religious right and Trump and his fanatics now have a hand in altering our world into something unrecognizable and unimaginable is just chilling. I can't say that I haven't imagined that he'd be removed in one way or another. B. you hit the nail right on the head with this post. I know "them" too. They are my family, neighbors and they won't see what he's done or doing. My sister told me you can't believe the media, they are putting out fake news! So they will never believe and you are right as to the reasons they voted him in. The will stick to him to the bitter end no matter what it may be.
Trump's supporters can't be shocked by Trump or by any of his idiotic shenanigans for the obvious reason that it's why they voted for him. They want a president who's as self centered, dumb and intellectually incurious as they are. The things that appall most of us are precisely what they adore about President Babyhands. The really depressing thing about all of this is that right now, when we need Congress to do the right thing and police Trump's incompetence, all they can consider is what's in it for them and their conservative agenda. To hell with the public.

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