NO TURKISH DELIGHT  

spunkycumfun 58M/63F  
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10/7/2016 1:27 pm
NO TURKISH DELIGHT





I heard some very shocking news this week as part of my job. I was going to do a blog post about panda bears tonight but panda bears can fucking wait. Instead I'm going to blog about Turkey, the country not the bird!

As a university politics lecturer, I teach a large number of international students on my courses. This academic year, there are students from Azerbaijan, Brazil, Cambodia, Canada, China, Greece, Hong Kong, Hungary, Indonesia, India, Ireland, Israel, Italy, Jamaica, Kazakhstan, Mexico, Nigeria, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Serbia, South Sudan, Spain, Sudan, Thailand, Turkey, USA, Venezuela, Vietnam and of course the UK.

It’s like the United Nations but without the conflict. When coming across people from different countries, you realise the differences but you also realise that we have far more in common than we have in difference. We all want to survive and have access to food and clean water; we want shelter and a home; we all want a job to look after our families and friends; we want to feel secure and be respected; and we want to be ourselves however culturally and socially defined.

International students are very important to universities here in the UK and probably elsewhere in the West because they are charged massive fees. International students pay three times that UK/European Union students pay and get exactly the same for their money. They are a cash cow for universities, but yet a target for governments, like the UK’s government, wanting to curb immigration.

Enough of the context; I’ll now cut to the chase. My university has an agreement with the Turkish Ministry of Interior for senior Turkish government officials to come over and study here. In the last ten years the Ministry has sent over 40 civil servants to study here. I’ve just been told that all bar two are now in prison awaiting trial!

There was an attempted coup d'état in Turkey this July. The coup spectacularly failed - another golden rule of politics, if you’re going to have a coup make sure you win otherwise there’ll be terrible reprisals.

After the failed coup, the Turkish President, Recep Erdoğan, ordered a purge of the Turkish state to root out the conspirators and supporters of the coup. That is why nearly all my former Turkish students are in jail.

The increasingly autocratic Turkish President has gone on record as admiring Hitler for running an effective government. Just as he admires Putin, no doubt Trump will admire Erdoğan! Why is the world taking a bad turn towards demagoguery and nationalism?

In Turkey, according to reports, up to 50,000 Turkish people - soldiers, judges, civil servants, university lecturers, school teachers etc - have been rounded up and imprisoned.

Monitors of Amnesty International, an international body dedicated to promoting human rights and protecting the rights of those people opposing tyrannical regimes, aren’t allowed access to Turkey. Amnesty International, after receiving harrowing accounts from sources in Turkey, claim that these people are being imprisoned without charge and without legal representation and that they are being tortured.

These people have no chance of a fair trial - this is Turkey - and if, but more likely when, imprisoned will face appalling conditions - think Midnight Express!

I don’t believe that my former students as civil servants conspired, though they may have supported the ideals behind the coup. The coup was fronted by the military, and almost certainly orchestrated by the Turkish dissident, Fethullah Gülen, holed up in America.

My former students were arrested because they were Western-educated with ideas about democracy, human rights and the rule of law. They were arrested for being liberal in an increasingly illiberal state. And I feel a little responsible!

Do you like Turkish Delight?
What do you do when you’re powerless to change things?


I feel totally powerless with this situation. I’d love to go to Turkey and campaign for the release of my former students. But I realise that my intervention may be counter-productive.

I feel totally powerless because I can’t raise this issue here with any expectation that the UK government will take it seriously. The West is dependent on Turkey as an ally in its proclaimed war against terrorism and as an ally against Russian power.





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10/7/2016 1:31 pm

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FIRTINA06 36M
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10/7/2016 1:48 pm

Turkey is safer than your country...UK BR-EXİT


spunkycumfun 58M/63F  
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10/7/2016 1:52 pm

    Quoting FIRTINA06:
    Turkey is safer than your country...UK BR-EXİT
You are crazy believing that!


FIRTINA06 36M
104 posts
10/7/2016 1:55 pm

You have modified the policy..england prime minister .Theresa Mary May...Hillary will became prime minister of usa...

hopefully, Turkey is the first country to strike you...

we'll be waiting....


redrockrascal 60M
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10/7/2016 3:33 pm

When people are educated they are less likely to be controlled by an oppressive government. In the US we under-fund education so the ignorant can easily be controlled by fear. Just look at how our elections go, facts and intelligent dialog are hard to find. Sad story about your students.

When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro.

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sweet_VM 60F  
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10/7/2016 3:44 pm

Do you like Turkish Delight? sure do. Last time I had this was over in the middle East.
What do you do when you’re powerless to change things? Run!!!! hugssssss V Wow Spunky didn't know this.. You would make a sexy Prof by the way!

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Nola7011 62M
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10/7/2016 4:06 pm

Fuck that shit. Do we not have enough unsolved problems here in America?

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kzoopair 67M/65F  
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10/7/2016 4:28 pm

Do you like Turkish Delight?
Yes, I do.

What do you do when you’re powerless to change things?
Well, when I really feel powerless I yell at the TV or throw the newspaper. Neither one does anything useful for imprisoned Turks, though. Authoritarianism is the same whether it's Mussolini's fascism or Stalin's perversion ofBolshevism. You can tell how fearful the reigning power is by the ferocity of their reactions. As painful as it seems to say it, this is a fight the Turks themselves have to fight. Even if the EU or America were willing to confront Erdogan, it's not our fight. You can speak up, send money, lend moral support and offer asylum, but it's Turks who have to stand up and change it.

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pal334 64M  
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10/7/2016 5:42 pm

Do you like Turkish Delight? I don't think I have ever had it


What do you do when you’re powerless to change things? I think there is always a way to express desires for change. Of course it may be minimal, but it is something. I have had trouble over the years understanding why a population will allow an individual or party oppress them. The military consists of men who have parents. If those parents are at the fore front of a protest, do you think that their own children will kill them? That is of course a simple example. If a population allows themselves to be subjected like this and their young children to be mistreated, in my opinion, they deserve what they have. After all they are they majority.


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lok4fun500 108M  
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10/7/2016 5:55 pm

I love turkish delight BUT chocolate coated is even better....BUT....I stopped eating right now because of my blood sugars.....you can have my portions!




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kinkyfem73 45F  
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10/7/2016 7:01 pm

No spunky I don't like turkish delight 😖
What do i do when I'm powerless? I'm feeling a bit that way right now with our govenment and I'm feeling like theres not a fucking thing I can do about it....

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NaughtyInSO 107F
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10/7/2016 8:16 pm

Do you like Turkish Delight? I used to indulge in rahat locum when I was younger.

What do you do when you’re powerless to change things? I rant and eat a lot of chocolate.

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Furbal1972 46M
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10/7/2016 8:28 pm

Do I like Turkish Delight? I'm not sure. I probably would, but most Americans really don't know what it actually is.

Turkey is another place where I am powerless. .. It is true.. Don't start a coup unless you know you're going to pull it off. This coup seems to have been rather disorganized. .. Either they tried before they were ready or (as has been rumored here) Erdoğan planned it himself so he could get emergency powers.

We have someone he wants too. A cleric that has been in exile for many years. .. But we're not going to arrest him. They have no proof that he was involved and from what is known of the guy he would discourage that sort of thing.

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KtMnDu 66M
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10/7/2016 9:57 pm

The West is dependent on Turkey in its proclaimed war against ISIS and terrorism generally.

I am way from knowledgeable here, but my take is that Turkey is another of those situations where those in charge are of value in holding together against potential big time calamity....

Once Turkey has served it's purpose to the West, it will be abandoned to get by on it's own, like so many others......

The really unfortunate aspect here is that you had a real direct input in making things better....only to see that noble effort trashed by those in it for all the wrong reasons...........


FIRTINA06 36M
104 posts
10/8/2016 12:12 am

TERORRİST:your country politicians

You drew a map in 15 years...but remember, this is the map we draw of the world's most enduring this for years, you're looking at 2000-3000 Turkish delight in the taste..


FIRTINA06 36M
104 posts
10/8/2016 12:12 am

8 NOVEMBER BEGİNNİNG OF END


FIRTINA06 36M
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10/8/2016 12:24 am

Hey idiots swearing from...discuss


Annie_34 60T
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10/8/2016 12:48 am

Bonjour Spunky
Je n'ai jamais été en Turquie
Et je ne sais pas ce que je réagirais si un coup d'état se passait en France , je sais seleument que quand Napoléon III a fait le sien plusieurs milliers d'Occitan on été déportés
♥ Poton ♥ Bisou ♥ Annie ♥


Hello Spunky
I have never been to Turkey
And I do not know what I would react if a coup was going on in France, I only know that when Napoleon III made his several thousand of Occitans were deported
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spunkycumfun 58M/63F  
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10/8/2016 2:27 am

    Quoting FIRTINA06:
    You have modified the policy..england prime minister .Theresa Mary May...Hillary will became prime minister of usa...

    hopefully, Turkey is the first country to strike you...

    we'll be waiting....

I don't think Hillary Clinton will be the next Prime Minister but I do think she will be the next President of the US.
There is no prospect of war between Britain and Turkey - we're both in Nato!


LisaLipgloss 52T
6246 posts
10/8/2016 4:45 am

"Why is the world taking a bad turn towards demagoguery and nationalism?"

As I see it....

Because they know how to move in on the kind of disillusionment that's swept across the globe. People want change and the left have been rather inept at offering an alternative to the problems of rampant consumerism.

The political establishment is made up of people who like power. That's their idea of quality of life. Their biggest claim is creating jobs. That's their big election battlecry, above everything else. They feed the employers with labour to fill the jobs and build the houses to house the people who fill the jobs. They see immigration as a free supply of labour, not as people, which is possibly why we currently have so many slum landlords. They'd pave every acre of land with housing and industrial estates, just to claim the job creation, and screw quality of life. Be happy you've got a job to provide a futre for your children and your children's children, blah blah blah. It's possible for people to be concerned about this without hating foreigners. How many people is enough? What's going to happen when refugees arrive in their millions rather than thousands because of climate change? These are valid questions some politicians seem fearful of addressing. The far right don't because it's right up their street and allows them to dress up their inherent racism in sheep's clothing.

The working class have been labelled as racist and nationalistic since the referendum but the people I grew up with were inclusive and welcoming, because they were the ones the immigrants lived among. It was my middle class relatives living on fancy estates peering through their curtains at the neighbour's son's new coloured girlfriend who were dubious and they were the ones most fearful of losing their economic wellbeing outside the EU.

Nicola Sturgeon appeared with the writer, Jackie Kay, at the Edinburgh festival, and started on about Brexit and racism. Kay told a story of being hassled by National Front thugs on the undrground in the 80s. She appealed for help from some "professional looking people" but they said they agreed with the thugs. So this was in the 80s, when we were in the EU, and the professionals sound more like the city types who were more likely to vote Bremain. It's a fallacy that those who voted for Bremain did so for the sake of immigrants. They did it for their own bank balances, many of whch have been boosted by EU economic arrangements which mean somebody on an average wage paid more tax than Facebook. And the left has defended that with their support for the EU.

So while the EU could have been the way forward, it failed to prove it. it failed to prove its claim that it protects workers, because the real life experience of those at the blunt end called bullshit. If the left continues to fail to address it, the far right will continue its scary ascent.

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FIRTINA06 36M
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10/8/2016 2:34 pm

NATO BİG LİE ...


citizen4722 61M  
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10/9/2016 8:45 am

Do you like Turkish Delight? Yes (one of my favourite sweets)
What do you do when you’re powerless to change things? Pray!


spunkycumfun 58M/63F  
36123 posts
10/9/2016 12:56 pm

    Quoting FIRTINA06:
    8 NOVEMBER BEGİNNİNG OF END
I admire your opposition. Are you an Erdoğan supporter?


spunkycumfun 58M/63F  
36123 posts
10/12/2016 11:56 am

    Quoting redrockrascal:
    When people are educated they are less likely to be controlled by an oppressive government. In the US we under-fund education so the ignorant can easily be controlled by fear. Just look at how our elections go, facts and intelligent dialog are hard to find. Sad story about your students.
Sadly I think you're right. An educated and informed people are often a threat to those in power.


spunkycumfun 58M/63F  
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10/12/2016 11:58 am

    Quoting sweet_VM:
    Do you like Turkish Delight? sure do. Last time I had this was over in the middle East.
    What do you do when you’re powerless to change things? Run!!!! hugssssss V Wow Spunky didn't know this.. You would make a sexy Prof by the way!
I love Turkish Delight too! But I'm still thinking of my students languishing in a Turkish prison, so I'll only eat Turkish Delight after they've been released!


spunkycumfun 58M/63F  
36123 posts
10/12/2016 12:03 pm

    Quoting Nola7011:
    Fuck that shit. Do we not have enough unsolved problems here in America?
I'm not American so I'm not just interested in American problems. These people imprisoned in Turkey were my students. I'm going to be interested in their fate!


spunkycumfun 58M/63F  
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10/12/2016 12:08 pm

    Quoting kzoopair:
    Do you like Turkish Delight?
    Yes, I do.

    What do you do when you’re powerless to change things?
    Well, when I really feel powerless I yell at the TV or throw the newspaper. Neither one does anything useful for imprisoned Turks, though. Authoritarianism is the same whether it's Mussolini's fascism or Stalin's perversion ofBolshevism. You can tell how fearful the reigning power is by the ferocity of their reactions. As painful as it seems to say it, this is a fight the Turks themselves have to fight. Even if the EU or America were willing to confront Erdogan, it's not our fight. You can speak up, send money, lend moral support and offer asylum, but it's Turks who have to stand up and change it.
I fear you're right that the he only effective solution to the problems in Turkey lies with its people. You read about bad things but when you know people caught up in bad things just makes me sad!
I only got politicised when I went to Zimbabwe. I had read about poverty - and I mean abject poverty - but when you see it first hand that's when I finally got politics!


spunkycumfun 58M/63F  
36123 posts
10/12/2016 12:16 pm

    Quoting joisygirl:
    Do you like Turkish Delight? Yes dear I do. This was the first trip to the UK that I walked right past Thorntons and didn't go in and buy some. I especially like Fruit Jellies and Special Toffee too! I've lost another three pounds this week, so I guess passing up the sweets continues to pay off.

    What do you do when you’re powerless to change things? Eat Fruit Jellies and Special Toffee or sweets in general.

    I don't know why so many countries wish to be exclusionary now and I don't know to what lengths any of them will go to achieve their goals. It's a scary time. I'm very sorry to hear your distressing news.
I think you like your sweets - sorry, I meant candy!
The person who told me - one of the two out of 40 not imprisoned - the news about my Turkish students being imprisoned, I fear, has also been imprisoned. He was just about to go back to Turkey and I asked him to email me on his return. I've had no email from him!


effer2910 55M  
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10/12/2016 12:19 pm

The only thing we can do is probably to tell around us what are the dangers of populism. Our old democracies are not immune to these dangers.

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spunkycumfun 58M/63F  
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10/12/2016 12:20 pm

    Quoting pal334:
    Do you like Turkish Delight? I don't think I have ever had it


    What do you do when you’re powerless to change things? I think there is always a way to express desires for change. Of course it may be minimal, but it is something. I have had trouble over the years understanding why a population will allow an individual or party oppress them. The military consists of men who have parents. If those parents are at the fore front of a protest, do you think that their own children will kill them? That is of course a simple example. If a population allows themselves to be subjected like this and their young children to be mistreated, in my opinion, they deserve what they have. After all they are they majority.

Turkey is becoming an increasingly oppressive state - majorities often have problems organising and speaking to those in power insuch regimes.
Last week a Turkish dissident was assassinated while drinking coffee in a London cafe; the evidence suggests that the Turkish authorities ordered his execution.
A while back a Russian dissident was poisoned - radiation poisoning - by the Russian secret services in a London hospital. He suffered an agonising death.
It is dangerous sometimers for citizens to oppose those tyrants in power.


spunkycumfun 58M/63F  
36123 posts
10/12/2016 12:24 pm

    Quoting lok4fun500:
    I love turkish delight BUT chocolate coated is even better....BUT....I stopped eating right now because of my blood sugars.....you can have my portions!
I'll gladly eat your portions of chocolate-coated Turkish Delight especially as I know I'm helping you!


spunkycumfun 58M/63F  
36123 posts
10/12/2016 12:59 pm

    Quoting kinkyfem73:
    No spunky I don't like turkish delight 😖
    What do i do when I'm powerless? I'm feeling a bit that way right now with our govenment and I'm feeling like theres not a fucking thing I can do about it....
I thought your new government was going to be a good one! But I don't live in Canada so I don't know.


spunkycumfun 58M/63F  
36123 posts
10/12/2016 1:00 pm

    Quoting NaughtyInSO:
    Do you like Turkish Delight? I used to indulge in rahat locum when I was younger.

    What do you do when you’re powerless to change things? I rant and eat a lot of chocolate.
Chocolate is always a good way to sort things out!


spunkycumfun 58M/63F  
36123 posts
10/12/2016 1:06 pm

    Quoting Furbal1972:
    Do I like Turkish Delight? I'm not sure. I probably would, but most Americans really don't know what it actually is.

    Turkey is another place where I am powerless. .. It is true.. Don't start a coup unless you know you're going to pull it off. This coup seems to have been rather disorganized. .. Either they tried before they were ready or (as has been rumored here) Erdoğan planned it himself so he could get emergency powers.

    We have someone he wants too. A cleric that has been in exile for many years. .. But we're not going to arrest him. They have no proof that he was involved and from what is known of the guy he would discourage that sort of thing.
The coup in Turkey was a disaster; it was put down within a day and it resulted in the increased popularity of Erdogan. An autocrat democratically eleted, a fatal combination!


spunkycumfun 58M/63F  
36123 posts
10/12/2016 1:08 pm

    Quoting KtMnDu:
    The West is dependent on Turkey in its proclaimed war against ISIS and terrorism generally.

    I am way from knowledgeable here, but my take is that Turkey is another of those situations where those in charge are of value in holding together against potential big time calamity....

    Once Turkey has served it's purpose to the West, it will be abandoned to get by on it's own, like so many others......

    The really unfortunate aspect here is that you had a real direct input in making things better....only to see that noble effort trashed by those in it for all the wrong reasons...........
I really hope your words are true, but I fear the world in general is taking a really horrible turn for the worse.


spunkycumfun 58M/63F  
36123 posts
10/12/2016 1:22 pm

    Quoting Annie_34:
    Bonjour Spunky
    Je n'ai jamais été en Turquie
    Et je ne sais pas ce que je réagirais si un coup d'état se passait en France , je sais seleument que quand Napoléon III a fait le sien plusieurs milliers d'Occitan on été déportés
    ♥ Poton ♥ Bisou ♥ Annie ♥


    Hello Spunky
    I have never been to Turkey
    And I do not know what I would react if a coup was going on in France, I only know that when Napoleon III made his several thousand of Occitans were deported
    ♥ Kiss ♥ Annie ♥

My sympathy is with the Occitans!


spunkycumfun 58M/63F  
36123 posts
10/12/2016 1:43 pm

    Quoting LisaLipgloss:
    "Why is the world taking a bad turn towards demagoguery and nationalism?"

    As I see it....

    Because they know how to move in on the kind of disillusionment that's swept across the globe. People want change and the left have been rather inept at offering an alternative to the problems of rampant consumerism.

    The political establishment is made up of people who like power. That's their idea of quality of life. Their biggest claim is creating jobs. That's their big election battlecry, above everything else. They feed the employers with labour to fill the jobs and build the houses to house the people who fill the jobs. They see immigration as a free supply of labour, not as people, which is possibly why we currently have so many slum landlords. They'd pave every acre of land with housing and industrial estates, just to claim the job creation, and screw quality of life. Be happy you've got a job to provide a futre for your children and your children's children, blah blah blah. It's possible for people to be concerned about this without hating foreigners. How many people is enough? What's going to happen when refugees arrive in their millions rather than thousands because of climate change? These are valid questions some politicians seem fearful of addressing. The far right don't because it's right up their street and allows them to dress up their inherent racism in sheep's clothing.

    The working class have been labelled as racist and nationalistic since the referendum but the people I grew up with were inclusive and welcoming, because they were the ones the immigrants lived among. It was my middle class relatives living on fancy estates peering through their curtains at the neighbour's son's new coloured girlfriend who were dubious and they were the ones most fearful of losing their economic wellbeing outside the EU.

    Nicola Sturgeon appeared with the writer, Jackie Kay, at the Edinburgh festival, and started on about Brexit and racism. Kay told a story of being hassled by National Front thugs on the undrground in the 80s. She appealed for help from some "professional looking people" but they said they agreed with the thugs. So this was in the 80s, when we were in the EU, and the professionals sound more like the city types who were more likely to vote Bremain. It's a fallacy that those who voted for Bremain did so for the sake of immigrants. They did it for their own bank balances, many of whch have been boosted by EU economic arrangements which mean somebody on an average wage paid more tax than Facebook. And the left has defended that with their support for the EU.

    So while the EU could have been the way forward, it failed to prove it. it failed to prove its claim that it protects workers, because the real life experience of those at the blunt end called bullshit. If the left continues to fail to address it, the far right will continue its scary ascent.
I agree with almost everything you say except about the European Union.
I tend to see things more generally - economic/finacial crises always cause political crises.
The economic conditions facing Germany after the First World War made Hitler putting Germany first attractive. And so the Second World War started. We had the Brexiteers arguing to put the Britain first and Britain will be be economically hit over the course of time.
Now we have Trump wanting to make America great again, and that will lead to hatred and possibly war.
We need to stand together.
Economics determines politics; perhaps I'm a Marxist.


spunkycumfun 58M/63F  
36123 posts
10/12/2016 1:44 pm

    Quoting citizen4722:
    Do you like Turkish Delight? Yes (one of my favourite sweets)
    What do you do when you’re powerless to change things? Pray!
I too love Turkish Delight!


spunkycumfun 58M/63F  
36123 posts
10/12/2016 1:48 pm

    Quoting rainbowsox:
    Sometimes the world dramatically reminds us of just how insignificant we actually are... at least on a macro level. There are forces at work "behind the curtain" that no matter our efforts, will maintain their stranglehold on true freedom. That said, when we behave, act, and think locally, we truly can make a difference. So, I would say that from that standpoint, being an educator to those who otherwise would not get that gift, you have done much. Sadly, life comes with risks, and for a population like that in countries like Turkey, there are many. Your students assumed that risk in order to make their world a better place, perhaps this is the necessary event to make that become reality!

    Incidentally, there is a HUGE amount of foreign students on my campus. Their presence is not without its own mighty controversy.... especially because of the financial implications!

    Love,
    -E'


I don't think my Turkish students knew the risks they took when getting educated in the West. They were paid quite handsomely by their government - they were paid their normal civil service salary plus extra to bring their families over here - and now they're in prison!
But international students bring a lot to the table in terms of education.


spunkycumfun 58M/63F  
36123 posts
10/12/2016 1:51 pm

    Quoting  :

Erdoğan is a shitbag!
Many thanks, genuinely meant, for your thoughtful comment.


tickles4us 56M
6776 posts
10/15/2016 8:25 pm

Do you like Turkish Delight? Yes.

What do you do when you’re powerless to change things? That depends on the situation.

It is a bad situation in Turkey and Erdoğan is the one responsible for the worsening situation. Educating people is a good thing to do but it is up to the ones educated to use it in an effective manor to gain the changes that will benefit the people. What Erdoğan is doing is exactly the kind of thing people like Trump would love to have the power to do. The best thing for Turkey would be an accidental death for Erdoğan and the sooner the better. When people like that get into power they drag even the good people down to their level because they can't oppose them without being targeted and eliminated.

Bad economic times brings out the worst in people. Turkey was predisposed to being taken over by an ass like Erdoğan because of the lack of freedom to speak out against the leader whomever it may be in the country. When any society allows or excepts when the leaders make it a crime to speak your mind or expose the crooked activities of those in government as it has been done in Turkey it is headed for trouble. Freedom of the press and the citizens to speak as well as separation of church and state are essential to keeping tyrants out of power.

Mustafa Kemal Ataturk is turning in his grave. All the work he did to make Turkey a decent civilized modern nation is being pissed away by a selfish egotistical tyrant. It is no easy task to turn an empire into a nation. Ataturk abolished the Sultanate and the Caliphate to allow the people to get out of the dark ages and the suppression of the religious leadership. Erdoğan is inviting the suppression and the dark ages back. He won't be able to control the infection when it gets going.

Vive La Difference


spunkycumfun 58M/63F  
36123 posts
10/16/2016 1:19 am

    Quoting tickles4us:
    Do you like Turkish Delight? Yes.

    What do you do when you’re powerless to change things? That depends on the situation.

    It is a bad situation in Turkey and Erdoğan is the one responsible for the worsening situation. Educating people is a good thing to do but it is up to the ones educated to use it in an effective manor to gain the changes that will benefit the people. What Erdoğan is doing is exactly the kind of thing people like Trump would love to have the power to do. The best thing for Turkey would be an accidental death for Erdoğan and the sooner the better. When people like that get into power they drag even the good people down to their level because they can't oppose them without being targeted and eliminated.

    Bad economic times brings out the worst in people. Turkey was predisposed to being taken over by an ass like Erdoğan because of the lack of freedom to speak out against the leader whomever it may be in the country. When any society allows or excepts when the leaders make it a crime to speak your mind or expose the crooked activities of those in government as it has been done in Turkey it is headed for trouble. Freedom of the press and the citizens to speak as well as separation of church and state are essential to keeping tyrants out of power.

    Mustafa Kemal Ataturk is turning in his grave. All the work he did to make Turkey a decent civilized modern nation is being pissed away by a selfish egotistical tyrant. It is no easy task to turn an empire into a nation. Ataturk abolished the Sultanate and the Caliphate to allow the people to get out of the dark ages and the suppression of the religious leadership. Erdoğan is inviting the suppression and the dark ages back. He won't be able to control the infection when it gets going.
Your reading of the situation is very fair. One of the problems of the coup against Erdogan was that Erdogan's party is elected and is broadly popular. I can't see how they thought they'd win!


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